BREAKING: Parliament arsonist charged with terrorism

[TheChamp]

What's not to believe? Why is his suspicion being called into question?

Because he is "homeless".

 

[Magnum]

yes the real criminals hiding someplace in Dubai enjoying the sunshine.

I like sun, Not that kind of sun.....

 

[Polymathic]

Cool, now charge KZN rioters, cable and railway thieves and taxi bosses.

 

[Gyre]

Because he is "homeless".

From what I'm reading it seems like he did cause damage, but there was enough incompetence sprinkled on the situation to allow him to get away with what he did with relative ease.

If he is really innocent, I am sure Afriforum will pick up his case.

 

[surface]

From what I'm reading it seems like he did cause damage, but there was enough incompetence sprinkled on the situation to allow him to get away with what he did with relative ease.

If he is innocent, I am sure Afriforum will pick up his case.

Did he have a camera in his hand? How do we know he was not an innocent tourist ? I think AF should take his case - hundreds have been hunted down by Hunter on the other side for such innocent mistakes...

 

[TheChamp]

From what I'm reading it seems like he did cause damage, but there was enough incompetence sprinkled on the situation to allow him to get away with what he did with relative ease.

If he is really innocent, I am sure Afriforum will pick up his case.

I just think he should be treated like any other suspect, I don't know why being homeless has anything to do with it, almost like it's impossible to commit a crime while homeless.

 

[ShaunSA]

Because he is "homeless".

More likely people are seeing RET spooks under their beds

 

[Fulcrum29]

Wait...

Parliament fire accused charged with terrorism

The man accused of setting parliament on fire last week, Zandile Mafu , appeared in the Cape Town Magistrate Court on Tuesday for a formal bail application.

www.jacarandafm.com

The court heard that Mafe has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, but Mpofu maintains his medical diagnosis is irrelevant to his bail application.

“We are here for one purpose and one purpose only - whether this man should remain in the police custody for the duration of a further period,” said Mpofu.

“He has now been here for about ten days…and that is purely a matter about the liberty of an individual. Whatever his health condition might be, he is still a human being.”

Dali is right here in my opinion, the state wants to hold on to their suspect by claiming that his medical condition is a danger to society, but they make a terrorism charge where the suspect's medical condition could possibly negate that charge?

Mpofu maintains that Mafe should be released on bail prior to being sent for psychiatric evaluation.

On Tuesday, the state added a charge of terrorism to Mafe’s charge sheet, which is a schedule 6 offense.

He now faces six charges including housebreaking with the intention to steal, two counts of arson, possession of an explosive device, and destruction of essential infrastructure.

The state has brought an application to have Mafe referred for a 30-day psychiatric evaluation due to his medical diagnosis.

The suspect has then been previously medically evaluated, and related to the charges have to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I don't think some charges are going to stick... Do remember, this is a bail hearing, it is all procedural. The suspect still has to go through a 30-day psychiatric evaluation, which must be scheduled. Who knows when the trail proceedings will be taken under consideration?

Odd... The NPA also didn't want to hand over the charge sheet prior to this bail application, possibly due to them still pondering over the terrorism charge or waiting on it being approved. This when the NPA promised to hand it over early. Either their investigation was being obstructed or the NPA is deliberately slowing down the proceedings. Yes, the NPA did argue that the clerk had the charge sheet, and hence it could have been accessed through the clerk, but at that time there was no terrorism charge, so blurriness on this one. I see it was also originally intended to charge the suspect on schedule 5, but that changed now to schedule 6.

I don't want to speculate all too much, but there are similarities to the methods the NPA went about a certain event in Senekal, and how did that go? That terrorism charge was dropped, and the case was totally clouded in vagueness, all due to things punted by the media, police and state not adding up.

I think, more investigation needs to be done. I am curious what the explosive device might be...

 

[zoozi]

We can arrest a bergie but not the architects of it or the July riots.

 

[Grant]

More likely people are seeing RET spooks under their beds

Have you been drinking again.??

 

[surface]

Mpofu - this guy..

 

[TelkomUseless]

I read Dali Mpofu is representing Mafu, wonder who is paying? EFF or ANC RET.

Heard him on the radio now. Lol. An "advocate" for homeless dude. Dali could be "batman" version of advocate for poor people.

But in his rambling Dali was going on about state/ANC not seeing this person yadayda.. lot to say but saying nothing.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I do believe that the suspect can possibly be guilty, it is still plausible, but people need to understand a terrorism charge. The NPA would need to establish the motive and intention, paranoid schizophrenia is not going to cut it convincingly. Where there is terrorism, there is usually a common cause. Say the NPA's true intention is to pursue terrorism, something tells me that more than this single suspect is being investigated. As I pointed out, terrorism charges have been charged by the NPA where the charge didn't meet the criterion. Time will tell, and I believe it is going to be a long wait until then…

 

[mojoman]

Mpofu - this guy..

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Pretty sure everyone involved in the case did this when they heard Dali is all over this...

 

[deweyzeph]

Wait...

Parliament fire accused charged with terrorism

The man accused of setting parliament on fire last week, Zandile Mafu , appeared in the Cape Town Magistrate Court on Tuesday for a formal bail application.

www.jacarandafm.com

Dali is right here in my opinion, the state wants to hold on to their suspect by claiming that his medical condition is a danger to society, but they make a terrorism charge where the suspect's medical condition could possibly negate that charge?



The suspect has then been previously medically evaluated, and related to the charges have to undergo psychiatric evaluation. I don't think some charges are going to stick... Do remember, this is a bail hearing, it is all procedural. The suspect still has to go through a 30-day psychiatric evaluation, which must be scheduled. Who knows when the trail proceedings will be taken under consideration?

Odd... The NPA also didn't want to hand over the charge sheet prior to this bail application, possibly due to them still pondering over the terrorism charge or waiting on it being approved. This when the NPA promised to hand it over early. Either their investigation was being obstructed or the NPA is deliberately slowing down the proceedings. Yes, the NPA did argue that the clerk had the charge sheet, and hence it could have been accessed through the clerk, but at that time there was no terrorism charge, so blurriness on this one. I see it was also originally intended to charge the suspect on schedule 5, but that changed now to schedule 6.

I don't want to speculate all too much, but there are similarities to the methods the NPA went about a certain event in Senekal, and how did that go? That terrorism charge was dropped, and the case was totally clouded in vagueness, all due to things punted by the media, police and state not adding up.

I think, more investigation needs to be done. I am curious what the explosive device might be...

It's a common ploy to add trumped up Schedule 6 charges to prevent bail from being granted, even if the charges don't stick.

 

[Fulcrum29]

It's a common ploy to add trumped up Schedule 6 charges to prevent bail from being granted, even if the charges don't stick.

Terrorism still needs to be pre-approved.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Terrorism still needs to be pre-approved.

by whom? the Godfather Tony Gupta, or JZ playing Golf and living his best like in nkaaandla...

 

[Fulcrum29]

by whom? the Godfather Tony Gupta, or JZ playing Golf and living his best like in nkaaandla...

It is said that the charge needs to be approved by the NPA, but I am sure there are approval mechanisms which goes higher up to national security and intelligence.

On this note, does anyone know whether the terrorism charge against Bruce Nimmerhoudt stuck, or has this case gone into the void? I tried to look into it, but... nothing.

 

[deweyzeph]

It is said that the charge needs to be approved by the NPA, but I am sure there are approval mechanisms which goes higher up to national security and intelligence.

On this note, does anyone know whether the terrorism charge against Bruce Nimmerhoudt stuck, or has this case gone into the void? I tried to look into it, but... nothing.

As I understand it all criminal charges need to be approved by the NPA, that's literally their job.

 

[theratman]

On this note, does anyone know whether the terrorism charge against Bruce Nimmerhoudt stuck, or has this case gone into the void? I tried to look into it, but... nothing.

Case was postponed until this year iirc.