BREAKING: President Donald Trump has been impeached for a historic second time

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Yes, a 2/3rd majority vote would be required for conviction, so all the Democrats, the 2 independents and 17 Republicans would have to vote to convict.
Looks difficult at this stage.
 

greg0205

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Looks difficult at this stage.

Yup.

It’ll all come down to the political calculation Republicans make.

It they want Donnie calling the shots for ‘22, ‘’24 and perhaps longer from stage-right... acquit.

If they don’t want to be primaried or have a clean shot at the WH in ‘24 without having to compete with a Trump in the Republican primaries, they convict, or they simply don’t show up to vote in the Senate and let math do the heavy lifting.

Five Republicans are already in.

Rubio’s looking at a challenge from Ivanka already, and it’s not hard to see him going with option two.

Mostly it’s on Mitch ‘tho.

He’s the one who’ll be getting calls from the big donors... If they’re telling him to cut Donnie loose, it’s over, and there will be conviction votes to spare.
 

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Yup.

It’ll all come down to the political calculation Republicans make.

It they want Donnie calling the shots for ‘22, ‘’24 and perhaps longer from stage-right... acquit.

If they don’t want to be primaried or have a clean shot at the WH in ‘24 without having to compete with a Trump in the Republican primaries, they convict, or they simply don’t show up to vote in the Senate and let math do the heavy lifting.

Five Republicans are already in.

Rubio’s looking at a challenge from Ivanka already, and it’s not hard to see him going with option two.

Mostly it’s on Mitch ‘tho.

He’s the one who’ll be getting calls from the big donors... If they’re telling him to cut Donnie loose, it’s over, and there will be conviction votes to spare.

This is ALL on Mitch, and he will be calculating purely based on his own self-interest.
 

OrbitalDawn

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I cannot help but wonder whether this is playing out in a manner the Trump-administration intends it to.

Unfortunately there's no way to know this now.
Trump wanted to lose the House, the Senate, the Presidency, get impeached twice, and have a cratered approval rating?

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lol, this 52D underwater chess grandmaster silliness just won't go away, will it?
 

OrbitalDawn

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Just a circus.
The Dems are wasting time and just posturing with this latest impeachment. Only suicidal republicans would vote to remove Trump. They didn't expect that McConnel would rush the thing through so they can vote. His conviction would about as credible as the acquittal Trump and his supporters like to refer to at his first trial.
Republicans being craven sycophants doesn't mean Dems shouldn't fulfil their oath and hold Trump accountable. Absurd you think it does.

Doing the right thing is worth doing, even if McConnell and the rest of the GOP don't have an ounce of integrity.
 

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Yup.

It’ll all come down to the political calculation Republicans make.

It they want Donnie calling the shots for ‘22, ‘’24 and perhaps longer from stage-right... acquit.

If they don’t want to be primaried or have a clean shot at the WH in ‘24 without having to compete with a Trump in the Republican primaries, they convict, or they simply don’t show up to vote in the Senate and let math do the heavy lifting.

Five Republicans are already in.

Rubio’s looking at a challenge from Ivanka already, and it’s not hard to see him going with option two.

Mostly it’s on Mitch ‘tho.

He’s the one who’ll be getting calls from the big donors... If they’re telling him to cut Donnie loose, it’s over, and there will be conviction votes to spare.
They all want someone else to solve the problem for them. Look at what Sen. Rounds said:

if the article of impeachment to incitement of a riot or incitement of an insurrection are followed through in a criminal proceeding, that by itself would ... stop him (Trump) for running for election to a public office again."

"I believe that history will hold him accountable."

All about them not doing anything about it and hoping someone else will save them.

Mitch is punting so that they can blame Dems for Trump being barred from office.
 

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Impeachment entertainment:

Dems: The white supremacist, nazi, bigot is a disgrace to our democracy after trying to cause a insurrection by inciting his supporters.

Reps: The tragic events on Jan 6 will never be forgotten. The president however didn't incite a violent overthrow of authority and instead denounce violence.

Dems: The white supremacist, nazi, bigot is a disgrace to our democracy after trying to cause a insurrection by inciting his supporters.

Reps: The nation is divided, the people are scared of having their freedom undermined. The president asked for a march towards he capital as demonstrators. Considering the supporters crossing the capital fence, no such incitement was made.

Dems: The white supremacist, nazi, bigot is a disgrace to our democracy after trying to cause a insurrection by inciting his supporters.

Reps: Maybe if we stop fear mongering and try to focus on the issues at hand including why the sitting president doesn't recognise the voting outcome to be factual we will start removing this wedge in the nation.

Dems: The white supremacist, nazi, bigot is a disgrace to our democracy after trying to cause a insurrection by inciting his supporters.
Real disingenuous fantasyland stuff here, Moose.

Republicans (bar a very small few) still haven't renounced the insane, dangerous lies that underpin the whole thing.

In fact, they voted in favour (by an overwhelming majority in the House) of officially enshrining that lie after the riot to overturn the results of the election.

The only Republicans that fit your description are ones you can count on one hand, including Peter Meijer, who now has to buy body armor and alter his travel schedule because of the deranged, violent threats against him and his family.

They were the ones stoking the fear, lies and incitement for months now. To pretend they're the ones being rational and calm now, while they're simultaneously arguing for there to be zero accountability for what they did is incredibly disingenuous and dishonest.
 

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They all want someone else to solve the problem for them. Look at what Sen. Rounds said:



All about them not doing anything about it and hoping someone else will save them.

Mitch is punting so that they can blame Dems for Trump being barred from office.
This is pretty much what I said in the other thread.

Dems are doing the work for Mitch *and* giving him cover.

Literally the reason I said they should use that... I wanna say favour, to get him to agree to Cruz and Hawley's heads... which won't cost him anything either.
 

OrbitalDawn

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Feels like this was written for Moose.

The president’s supporters, however, now plead for understanding and inclusion, for lowering the temperature, for moving on. In speech after speech Wednesday on the floor of the House, the same Republicans who had no objections to the president’s incitement to insurrection now have deep concerns about parliamentary process, the rule of law and national unity.

This is moral charlatanism and I say to hell with it.

It is almost impossible to comprehend the sheer moral poverty of the people calling now for unity. Elected Republicans now admit they fear for their physical safety from their own constituents, but instead of thunderous defenses of the Constitution, we have soft mewling from people like Sen. Marco Rubio and his Bible-Verse-A-Day tweets, or the head-spinning duplicity of Sen. Lindsey Graham, who within days of saying “count me out” of any further sedition was jollying it up with the president on Air Force One.
 

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They all want someone else to solve the problem for them. Look at what Sen. Rounds said:



All about them not doing anything about it and hoping someone else will save them.

Mitch is punting so that they can blame Dems for Trump being barred from office.
"I believe that history, a well known abstraction, will handily do the job I was elected to do"
 

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Real disingenuous fantasyland stuff here, Moose.

Republicans (bar a very small few) still haven't renounced the insane, dangerous lies that underpin the whole thing.

In fact, they voted in favour (by an overwhelming majority in the House) of officially enshrining that lie after the riot to overturn the results of the election.

The only Republicans that fit your description are ones you can count on one hand, including Peter Meijer, who now has to buy body armor and alter his travel schedule because of the deranged, violent threats against him and his family.

They were the ones stoking the fear, lies and incitement for months now. To pretend they're the ones being rational and calm now, while they're simultaneously arguing for there to be zero accountability for what they did is incredibly disingenuous and dishonest.
Unrelated, am I the only one who reads his username as "Moosedrol" and then has to self correct each time?
 

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All that actually counts is if the senate charges him, which is probably unlikely, but saying that, there are 10 YAY votes on the house republican side, so who knows how many senators decide to back them up or have any dignity/spines.

Senate trial & vote is post election(democratic majority too, obviously current majority leader of republicans could have saved Trump by recalling senate for it prior to elections but I think this is a subtle way of throwing him under the bus).. it’s merely to prevent him from ever running for presidency again rather than ending his current term.

Assuming he doesn’t try something stupid prior which I’m expecting.
 

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Senate trial & vote is post election(democratic majority too, obviously current majority leader of republicans could have saved Trump by recalling senate for it prior to elections but I think this is a subtle way of throwing him under the bus).. it’s merely to prevent him from ever running for presidency again rather than ending his current term.

Assuming he doesn’t try something stupid prior which I’m expecting.
Yeah McConnell already stated the transfer would occur before any Senate decision, so this is purely to be followed up with a vote with basic majority to bar him from ever running again.
 

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Yeah McConnell already stated the transfer would occur before any Senate decision, so this is purely to be followed up with a vote with basic majority to bar him from ever running again.
Need a conviction (with 2/3rds) before that vote can be taken.
 

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Trump wanted to lose the House, the Senate, the Presidency, get impeached twice, and have a cratered approval rating?

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lol, this 52D underwater chess grandmaster silliness just won't go away, will it?
Time will tell. I hope the Dems come through with their promises. Otherwise, God knows who people will vote for in 4 years time...
 
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cerebus

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Dershowitz is going with the free speech defence:


There’s a Big Hole in Trump’s First Amendment Defense

The most damning evidence is not what Trump said but what he failed to say.
 
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