Broadband over Power Lines here soon and much cheaper than ADSL

[Paul_S]

Well I dunno about you but I would prefer to have these folks on the air rather in a time of crisis than some power line internet service who is not going to be working anyway .

Hahaha! Let's look at this logically :

If there is a crisis and the power and BPL system are down the HAM guys won't have any interference so they will be able to operate perfectly. Hence no problem.

If there is a crisis and the power and BPL system don't go down the Internet and voice calls over BPL will be working and we won't need the HAM guys. Hence no problem.

If the HAM guys don't use battery backups and the power goes down we're all screwed anyway.

The economic benefit of cheap broadband to thousands of users and businesses will far outweigh the advantages of banning BPL technology for a small handful of hobbyists.

 

[Darth Garth]

The economic benefit of cheap broadband to thousands of users and businesses will far outweigh the advantages of banning BPL technology for a small handful of hobbyists.

But that said the ITU gave these parts of the radio spectrum for use to these hobbyists ... it is not their fault that BPL technology is so crap that it bleeds all over the place.

 

[RichardP]

@SARL and BPL

why not get together and find a way to address the problem? .. I am merely putting in 2cent opinion as Jawug have had problems when wifi equipment bleeds all over HF bands. We got together with tower owners/equipment owners and found out that the root cause of the problems were... and fixed them. (CPU radiating noise, transmission lines, power supply oscilations etc etc etc)

99.99% of the time its the CPU on the routers causing ***.. and a fix is plain and simple - enclose everything in a metal box.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

...but will BPL also affects alarm radios? This I must ask because we do have an alarm system linked to a radio instead of a telephone line at our house.

If it does and will interfere, then alternative arrangements must be made, but whose responsibility would that be?

 

[-toady-]

*...but will BPL also affects alarm radios? This I must ask because we do have an alarm system linked to a radio instead of a telephone line at our house.*

Well yes, it appears to here in Sherwood. The dude two houses down has been linked up with this BPL and his alarm drives him nutz. Goes off indiscriminately at all hours. Course as far as I know he has no idea that the Muni have anything at all to do with his system. I'm betting a nice little contract company went in and offered to sort his system out cheap. You should see his house light up at night omw!!! But hey, I'm crazy rite?

Question time: How the power cuts in your area guys? Not too bad anymore are they? heheh.. im betting the Muni link-up is just about done now all over the country so --- SMILE - Youre on candid camera!!!! -----!
next question - any of you got the shiny bands wrapped round your streetlight poles yet? yeah - the ones i constantly whitter on about? Well if you have, do step outside on a dark night and look carefully for the sensor/pilot lights that ARE there.... somewhere in your neighbourhood Im betting a droog is living and monitoring your calls, your comings and goings and your PC for that matter... I have to smile at all you giant brains out here ja....

And the crazed genius CapnWiFi? well now Captain - you are MORE than welcome to come and further your scientific research down here in Sherwood, Kwazulu. Spend a week or so just cruising about and checking out the groaning streetlight poles in our area... festooned with so much stuff its laffable... and then change your mind about the telephone poles ... otherwise youre the closest to the truth yet ...

CacklinTard
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The Subversive

 

[GTS]

GTS Official response regarding alleged interference caused by PLC

GTS would like to address concerns that have been raised regarding alleged interference caused to radio frequencies by Power Line Communications (PLC) or Broadband Over Power (BPL) technologies deployed by the company.

There are a number of different types of PLC technologies available and it is therefore imperative to classify specifically what PLC technology is been referred to when comparing the GTS offering to other PLC enabled sites worldwide. GTS uses the next generation DS2 PLC chipset specifically because it has been deployed successfully in many countries. This chipset is significantly different to the technology used in deployments where interference has been caused by the PLC, as was the case in the City of Manassas.

In the unlikely event of interference being experienced in frequency bands, the following formal process is please to be followed to ensure timely resolution of the issue:

Lodge a compliant with ICSA, the regulatory authority of South Africa. Lodged complaints will be formally investigated and addressed. In the unlikely event of the interference being caused by PLC equipment, GTS will comply with all the emissions requirements enforced by ICSA.

GTS has been in contact with ICASA and has not been informed of any complaint being lodged regarding interference and therefore find the claims of the SARL unsubstantiated at this time. GTS is more than willing to co-operate with any investigations into formally lodged complaints.

GTS is a member of the Working Group on PLC technology national standards of the SABS Technical Committee 74 “National Communications Technology Standards”, which oversees deployment of services and equipment in this country. SARL is also represented at that forum, which is the right platform to deal with any misperception of the PLC technology standards as used by GTS in our South African deployment.

Thank you for your understanding in this regard.
Your continued support and encouragement is greatly appreciated.

The GTS Team

 

[The_Unbeliever]

@ GTS

Thanks for clarification on that matter, it is appreciated.

It is refreshing to see that there are some companies who are serious about providing a service, and who also ensure that existing installations at customers houses are not disrupted.

Regards

Libs

 

[Tiaan]

Hahaha! Let's look at this logically :

If there is a crisis and the power and BPL system are down the HAM guys won't have any interference so they will be able to operate perfectly. Hence no problem.

If there is a crisis and the power and BPL system don't go down the Internet and voice calls over BPL will be working and we won't need the HAM guys. Hence no problem.

If the HAM guys don't use battery backups and the power goes down we're all screwed anyway.

The economic benefit of cheap broadband to thousands of users and businesses will far outweigh the advantages of banning BPL technology for a small handful of hobbyists.

If Only there were more guys like PaulS

And does everyone agree that GTS is super amazing regarding service?

 

[DragonLogos]

BPL is being used to bridge the gap of broadband / Internet access in Rural areas in the USA - Which is one of the reasons why it would be good for this country as it would bridge a big gap in the market

The Radio Hams there brought up the interference question, however the FCC ruled in favour of BPL

 

[klk]

Bpl

GTS ,

Maybe you should tell everybody on the forum what happened in the USA regarding BPL .
The concerns of these "HAMS" and military users is very real please visit this link below and repeat your statement and tell everyone that this technology is flawless .I am of the opinion that BPL will die out because it makes use of electrical copper wiring from Minisubstations and copper cable's tends to get stolen more often of late since thief's
get a lot of money for copper it has gone up by almost 27% in value and further more bpl will not be reliable due to unforeseen electrical maintenance work and forced power cut's by the municipality for maintenance work to be carried out by them.


http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/

KLK

 

[kingmonty]

punctuation is good.

 

[Paul_S]

.I am of the opinion that BPL will die out because it makes use of electrical copper wiring from Minisubstations and copper cable's tends to get stolen more often of late since thief's get a lot of money for copper it has gone up by almost 27% in value and further more bpl will not be reliable due to unforeseen electrical maintenance work and forced power cut's by the municipality for maintenance work to be carried out by them.
KLK

Dude, conductor theft makes zero difference. If power lines get stolen what are you going to run your computer with?
Maybe a laptop or UPS could hold out for a couple of hours but I really think your argument is a bit weak.

Furthurmore BPL R&D hasn't been stagnant - there has been lots of development to try to reduce or eliminate the interference.

 

[The_Unbeliever]

There are a number of different types of PLC technologies available and it is therefore imperative to classify specifically what PLC technology is been referred to when comparing the GTS offering to other PLC enabled sites worldwide. GTS uses the next generation DS2 PLC chipset specifically because it has been deployed successfully in many countries. This chipset is significantly different to the technology used in deployments where interference has been caused by the PLC, as was the case in the City of Manassas.

Just repeating GTS's posting here for those who haven't read it...

 

[klk]

pauls

Dear Paul,

Show us on the forum where bpl has been implemented on a city wide basis successfully........anywhere in the us ,where it has been duped as the miracle broadband connection since the rooiwal case is so far out and no statistic’s could be provided when and for how long this system has been switch on and another factor it the cost of the equipment for bpl transmission you cannot use only one transmitter for a whole town bpl still has issues regarding harmonic's emanating from transformers and cable faults which causes spikes on these lines .I would rather put my money on Wireless communications as the best option for internet and such.
I have however noted on the forum that someone ask where is "Tswane or GTS "going to be able to port such a lot of bandwidth from they still have to make use of telscum or sentech to purchase bandwidth .I really don't see the commercial value in this as most of the companies out in the USA has already opted out of BPL and started Wireless.
Remember the military uses HF Radio for war time operations and emergency relief for shipwrecked sailor's and missionaries also make use of HF Radio com's .
I still await a answer as to where in the USA BPL was successfully implemented as the great city if Manassas has been ordered by the USA 's FCC the cure there interference from other license spectrum users. I also await to see whether Icasa will indeed issue a BPL license for GTS or whoever whishes to us that kind of technology .In regard to emergency power you obviously have never in your live assisted in emergency communications to save lives .These "HAMS "you refer to delivers a service to the community for free.....They as far as I have gathered also helps with cycle events marathons’ etc..

KLK

 

[klk]

Ds2 Chip

THE LIBRARIAN,

In regard to the ds2 chip it also still has not been proven to be successful .show us a city where BPL was implemented without any problems .......I HOWEVER FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAS TO LIVE WITH INTERFERENCE BUT WAY'S MUST BE FOUND TO ALSO ACCOMODATE THESE HAMS AND MILITARY USERS ALIKE.

KLK

 

[Beni_Boy]

What happens then?

Hey all I was reading all about BPL... With regards to the leading post I wanted to know if anyone knows what happens to your connection when you reach the 5gb cap?

Thanx

 

[MrSmith]

www.goal.co.za FAQ
Is the bandwidth cap hard or soft on the Goal ISP?

GTS employs a soft cap. This means that your service will not be suspended when you reach the bandwidth limits. Instead the speed of the service will be reduced. Additional bandwidth can however be purchased in order to sustain the higher speed connection.

 

[Beni_Boy]

Oh ok shot man... Do you know what tehy are going to reduce the speed to?

 

[MrSmith]

Sorry no idea.

 

[boramk]

sigh, so much for this idea, its been a year and a half now