Bulk Business E-Mails

[CDC Marketing]

I am currently on cybersmart which does not allow Bulk mailing.
Does anyone know which ISP's allow bulk mailing (newsletter list of 1600 customers) Please do not say DataPro, I called them and got tranfer 8 times in 10 minutes. At the moment on cybersmart you can only mail 15 at a time which takes forever. Any solutions will be appreciated.
Thank You

 

[kaspaas]

Get yourself a virtual Linux box with a US ISP - costs between USD10-20 pm and setup your own spambox.

 

[willemvdm]

I would create a group with yahoo groups. http://groups.yahoo.com

Then you send only one email and yahoo do the rest. Might want to look at their TOS though, don't know if they have any limitations or so. I do know that one can controll the members of a group and also prevent the general public to join a group.

As for ISP, I think there is a general feel on this forum that Openweb and WebAfrica is the best, that I agree with. Don't know their stand point on Bulk Mail though.

 

[mh348]

have you tried gmail

 

[bboy]

well technically u should do all the emailing yourself, you should setup your own smtp box on your network that handles the whole thing. But of course this consumes lots more bandwidth

 

[ic]

I would create a group with yahoo groups. http://groups.yahoo.com

Then you send only one email and yahoo do the rest. Might want to look at their TOS though, don't know if they have any limitations or so. I do know that one can controll the members of a group and also prevent the general public to join a group.
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As suggested by willemvdm, the best option is to use a list manager, which allows mailing list members to subscribe and unsubscribe to the mailing list, this avoids any issues with legitimate newsletter emails being reported as spam.

 

[SeanS]

try contactnow.co.za

 

[CDC Marketing]

Gmail and Yahoo do not seem to allow embedded HTML jpgs like outlook does, can I setup the yahoo group through OUtlook?

 

[kaspaas]

Why do I get the feel you are going to waste time and money.

A lot of mail will be blocked by spamblockers if you are not very careful what you are doing.

 

[mh348]

Yahoo can be setup up in outlook, but you have to pay, Gmail which IMO is mucu much better, can be setup in outllook, if you want a gmail account just pm me and I'll send you an invite.

 

[m0zy]

Try your own SMTP server

I would have thought that most of the people that visit this forum have some sort of IT background.
But looking at the response to your question I guess I was wrong

How about running your own SMTP server and send out as much emails as you want.
Try this link:
http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q=free+smtp+server&btnG=Google+Search&meta

Good luck

 

[ic]

I would have thought that most of the people that visit this forum have some sort of IT background.
But looking at the response to your question I guess I was wrong

How about running your own SMTP server and send out as much emails as you want.
Try this link:
http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q=free+smtp+server&btnG=Google+Search&meta

Good luck

And from an IT POV, that is impractical for several reasons:

1. If one uses a Dynamic IP address, which one normally does regardless of ISP, off which one runs an SMTP server, then that IP address will already be spam-block listed before the first email gets sent.
2. Your ADSL ISP will jump on you for generating spam.

 

[m0zy]

And from an IT POV, that is impractical for several reasons:

1. If one uses a Dynamic IP address, which one normally does regardless of ISP, off which one runs an SMTP server, then that IP address will already be spam-block listed before the first email gets sent.
2. Your ADSL ISP will jump on you for generating spam.

ic have you tried it before??????
Have seen a few people send out over 5000 emails per day using the following:
http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html

And that was over a 192k ADSL line.
So don't talk if you have not tried it or seen it work(or not)

PS: You are NOT sending to a SMTP server. Your PC is the SMTP server!

 

[ic]

ic have you tried it before??????
Have seen a few people send out over 5000 emails per day using the following:
http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html

And that was over a 192k ADSL line.
So don't talk if you have not tried it or seen it work(or not)

PS: You are NOT sending to a SMTP server. Your PC is the SMTP server!

Yes actually I have tried sending emails from my own smtp server running in Linux, on my HomeDSL192kbits/s line [now 384kbits/s-eish], and while the emails do go out, a lot of them bounce back simply bcos the IP address that the smtp server ran from, was dynamic, and was spam-block listed within a dynamic IP address CIDR.

Basically it's just a waste of bandwidth and time, rather use a listserver service instead [unless of course one has a static IP address using ADSL].

 

[mh348]

I just came across http://www.mailblaze.co.za/ ,they do bulk mailing but you have to pay,

 

[m0zy]

and while the emails do go out, a lot of them bounce back simply bcos the IP address that the smtp server ran from, was dynamic, and was spam-block listed within a dynamic IP address CIDR.

Don't worry, SAIX has got a lot of new IP ranges to abuse
Just reboot your router when you see failed/error messages coming back

 

[Toby]

Yes actually I have tried sending emails from my own smtp server running in Linux, on my HomeDSL192kbits/s line [now 384kbits/s-eish], and while the emails do go out, a lot of them bounce back simply bcos the IP address that the smtp server ran from, was dynamic, and was spam-block listed within a dynamic IP address CIDR.

Basically it's just a waste of bandwidth and time, rather use a listserver service instead [unless of course one has a static IP address using ADSL].

IC has a Point. To make this non Technical

SOME mail destination SMTP Servers will do a reverse lookup authentication to vaildate the sender of the e-mail.

If you send from user@sender.com and the SMTP Server sender.com has IP address x.x.x.1, a destination Server reciever.com that hosts the e-mail user@reciever.com will attempt to validate the sender.

However, using dynDNS with ADSL, if your IP Changes (ADSL Resets etc) and the SMTP Server sender.com now has IP address x.x.x.2 it will fail, and may be treated as a Spammer.

i.e Mail sent from x.x.x.1 and validated against x.x.x.2 will fail

I hope this explanation helps

 

[ic]

Yes actually I have tried sending emails from my own smtp server running in Linux, on my HomeDSL192kbits/s line [now 384kbits/s-eish], and while the emails do go out, a lot of them bounce back simply bcos the IP address that the smtp server ran from, was dynamic, and was spam-block listed within a dynamic IP address CIDR.

Basically it's just a waste of bandwidth and time, rather use a listserver service instead [unless of course one has a static IP address using ADSL].

IC has a Point. To make this non Technical

SOME mail destination SMTP Servers will do a reverse lookup authentication to vaildate the sender of the e-mail.

If you send from user@sender.com and the SMTP Server sender.com has IP address x.x.x.1, a destination Server reciever.com that hosts the e-mail user@reciever.com will attempt to validate the sender.

However, using dynDNS with ADSL, if your IP Changes (ADSL Resets etc) and the SMTP Server sender.com now has IP address x.x.x.2 it will fail, and may be treated as a Spammer.

i.e Mail sent from x.x.x.1 and validated against x.x.x.2 will fail

I hope this explanation helps

Actually that's not the problem .

Let's see if I can explain my point a bit better, using Telkodemonopolies, with any ADSL ISP of one's choice, one connects, and one's ADSL modem|router gets back a Dynamic IP address, call it a.b.c.d. Now if one wants to run one's own smtp server, then receiving mail servers will see that one's mail server has an IP address of a.b.c.d, and will do a spam-block database lookup, to see if a.b.c.d is spam-block listed, and nowadays, just about every Dynamic IP address, is permanently spam-block listed, what happens then, is that the receiving mail server, simply rejects the email bcos it came from a spam-block listed IP address.

The rationale behind spam-block listing of all Dynamic IP addresses, is to cut down on spam emails, and instead encourage people to only send email through their ISP's smtp server, which then places the ISP's smtp server IP address at risk of being spam-block listed if the ISP allows even 1 spam email out. So, ISPs tend to run spam filters etc on all outgoing emails, to ensure that their smtp server's IP address does not get spam-block listed, which would inconvenience all of the ISP's customers using the ISP's smtp server. Anyone that does deliberatly attempt or manage to get past their ISP's smtp server spam filters, runs the risk of having their service from the ISP, being terminated, IOW the spammer customer could be permanently banned from using that ISP's network [ever again].

I should point out that that is the simplified version of how things work these days.

If one uses a static IP address, then one can run one's own smtp server with far fewer hassles - except when that static IP address gets spam-block listed - it can take 7 days for a spam-block listed IP address to be de-listed...

 

[BishopZA]

I have successfully used the SAIX SMTP server to send out 7000 emails (all opted-in of course) to existing customers using a program called SmartSerialMail (http://www.jam-software.com/smartserialmail/index.shtml).

The important thing to remember is that SAIX only allows you to send 360 emails per hour before blocking you. I configured the program to send out 5 emails every minute (300/hr just to be safe), and it worked fine.

HTH

 

[ic]

The key there being Opted-In with the option of being able to Opt-Out , which is another reason why I recommend a list manager service: automatically manage all the opting ins & outs.