Bush comes face to face with the casualties of war

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Atleast they seem to be getting good physical rehabilitation, I would hate to be that injured on the other side of the fence.
 

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Atleast they seem to be getting good physical rehabilitation, I would hate to be that injured on the other side of the fence.
True. :eek: As for your original point about their passion, maybe in a situation like that you almost force yourself to believe in a cause etc, whether you would ordinarily support it or not, just to give some purpose to your situation and sacrifice.
 

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Because they believe in bringing liberty to Iraq.


If only if there was a photo of Fudzy( or any of the posse) with 1 of the 100 000s of sick dying Iraqi children and we could then wonder if they would ever respect somebody who was willing to let them and others die ceaselessly. :sick::sick:
 
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That's what I was thinking too.
There was a show on TV not long go called Baghdad ER . Watch it and you'll want to be sick afterwards :(

WASHINGTON — U.S. troops are more than twice as likely to survive combat wounds in Iraq than they have been in most wars over the past century, an analysis of the numbers of wounded and killed there shows.

During all major wars in the 20th century, one American servicemember died for every two to four wounded in combat. But factors such as better protective gear and aggressive new medical techniques now mean that many troops who might have died are surviving — though some come away with grievous wounds.

The numbers are dramatic: Since the Iraq war began in March, one U.S. servicemember has been killed for every seven who are injured in combat. That's more than three times better than World War II, when one servicemember died for about every two wounded.

"This is a good news story. We have been able to save many more wounded servicemembers," says Col. Ron Maul, a physician who is the senior medical adviser at U.S. Central Command in Tampa.

Maul and other medical experts cite several reasons for the sharp increase in the survival rate:

• Wounded troops see surgeons and trauma specialists much more quickly. In Iraq, mobile surgical teams travel with combat units and can begin operating on severely wounded troops in minutes.

• Most troops in Iraq have protective Kevlar body armor that covers vital organs and can repel shrapnel and small-caliber bullets.

• Medics and other first-aid specialists carry blood supplies with them into battle so they can immediately stabilize patients who in previous wars might have bled to death before reaching a field hospital.

• The war in Iraq has been characterized by guerrilla attacks and not by traditional battles involving tanks, aerial bombs and casualty-producing heavy artillery fire.

The ratio of wounded-to-killed has improved even more since May 1, when President Bush declared major combat over. As of Thursday, 1,058 U.S. troops had been wounded and 104 killed by enemy fire since May 1, more than 10 wounded to every one killed.

John Greenwood, chief of the office of medical history at the U.S. Army Medical Command, says body armor has played a critical role. The bulky armor protects the heart, lungs and other areas where injuries are often fatal. "We're seeing a lot fewer thoracic (chest) wounds than you would normally," Greenwood says.

As of Thursday, 218 U.S. troops have been killed in action and 1,609 wounded by enemy fire since the war began in March, a ratio of 7.4 to one. Many of the wounded would likely have died before the advent of body armor and new medical practices, experts say.

Because of the way guerrilla fighters are attacking U.S. forces — with rocket-propelled grenades and land mines — some of the injuries have resulted in amputations or other serious injuries, but not death.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-10-26-iraq-troops-survival_x.htm
 

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What a joke ^^ , it's like our government saying that they're proud that the deaths from AIDS have dropped from 2500 people a week to just over 2000 a week. :sick:
 

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Sometimes you wonder if survival is even better.
For most of the injuries it is I believe. I know what it is like to be "incapacitated" and it's amazing what you can endure.

Many of the amputees are taking part in disabled sporting events. One soldier lost his legs when an IED went off. He and fellow soldiers where behind an armoured vehicle. The shrapnel went under the vehicle and shreded all their legs. Only one died though IIRC :sick:
 
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Because they believe in bringing liberty to Iraq.


If only if there was a photo of Fudzy( or any of the posse) with 1 of the 100 000s of sick dying Iraqi children and we could then wonder if they would ever respect somebody who was willing to let them and others die ceaselessly. :sick::sick:
Okay then, find us some of those pics. Go on then. It will probably be easier to find pictures of mutilated Iraqi children due to American led 'friendly' fire.
 

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Okay then, find us some of those pics. Go on then. It will probably be easier to find pictures of mutilated Iraqi children due to American led 'friendly' fire.
Yeah out of siight, out of mind :sick: But the lemmings still soak it all up. :eek:
 
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Yeah out of siight, out of mind :sick: But the lemmings still soak it all up. :eek:
I'm still waiting, I did a bit of searching, the only story of children suffering I could find is one of sick children caused by the sanctions imposed. If this is why Iraq was liberated, why hasn't GW bombed Zimbabwe?
 

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Look ,if u guys lived in the states,I see why people are patriotic of their country.It gives them so much compared to some countries ie Africa.Not saying support war,but see reason why would die for country.would people do the same for Zim.
 

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Not a fan of Bush, but I respect his willingness to meet with the soldiers who suffer effects of war and to confront the hard realities.

Good leaders don't shy away from their constituency.
 
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