buying a gen. to run pc/router

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Fsck but you guys make a simple thing complicated...
 
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During load shedding I run the following genny

http://www.ryobi.co.za/product/generators/rg-1200

I only plug in my PC lead which powers the following.

Bitco's switch and router (whatever wattage)
27" Samsung LED
19" LG LCD (very old screen)
750w PC (Obviously the powersupply, does anything else in my pc pull power?)
50w desk fan.

The genny has a built in voltage regulator. But I have been told that I'm a dumbass for running my pc through the genny without a UPS.
 
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Powerman manufacture UPS's locally and are well priced. The PM2120 is a line-interactive type capable of delivering 700W for 7min. Shop a bit and you can find it for around R1300
 
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Gezza said:
During load shedding I run the following genny

http://www.ryobi.co.za/product/generators/rg-1200

I only plug in my PC lead which powers the following.

Bitco's switch and router (whatever wattage)
27" Samsung LED
19" LG LCD (very old screen)
750w PC (Obviously the powersupply, does anything else in my pc pull power?)
50w desk fan.

The genny has a built in voltage regulator. But I have been told that I'm a dumbass for running my pc through the genny without a UPS.
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How much does it cost?
 
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Gezza said:
During load shedding I run the following genny

http://www.ryobi.co.za/product/generators/rg-1200

I only plug in my PC lead which powers the following.

Bitco's switch and router (whatever wattage)
27" Samsung LED
19" LG LCD (very old screen)
750w PC (Obviously the powersupply, does anything else in my pc pull power?)
50w desk fan.

The genny has a built in voltage regulator. But I have been told that I'm a dumbass for running my pc through the genny without a UPS.
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Hi

I am looking at getting this exact one, hows the noise level on it ?
 
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Gezza said:
During load shedding I run the following genny

http://www.ryobi.co.za/product/generators/rg-1200

I only plug in my PC lead which powers the following.

Bitco's switch and router (whatever wattage)
27" Samsung LED
19" LG LCD (very old screen)
750w PC (Obviously the powersupply, does anything else in my pc pull power?)
50w desk fan.

The genny has a built in voltage regulator. But I have been told that I'm a dumbass for running my pc through the genny without a UPS.
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They are correct as a conventional generator with a voltage regulator does not protect delicate electronics like a TV or computer. It must have an inverter on that feeds true sine wave. Conventional generator through UPS with inverter or direct usage of a Inverter generator which is different to a conventional generator is recommended.
 
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They are correct as a conventional generator with a voltage regulator does not protect delicate electronics like a TV or computer. It must have an inverter on that feeds true sine wave. Conventional generator through UPS with inverter or direct usage of a Inverter generator which is different to a conventional generator is recommended.
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As someone posted before, newer power supplies don't really care, from ver 2.3 it seems.

Parameter Minimum Nominal* Maximum Unit
Vin (230 VAC) 180 230 265
Vin Frequency 47 -- 63 Hz

Not too sure about the rest though :confused:
 
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As someone posted before, newer power supplies don't really care, from ver 2.3 it seems.

Parameter Minimum Nominal* Maximum Unit
Vin (230 VAC) 180 230 265
Vin Frequency 47 -- 63 Hz

Not too sure about the rest though :confused:
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He doesnt seem to understand what an inverter is, AC to DC or DC to AC.

Friend of mine has a 5 year old generator with AVR, it fluctuates between 210 and 225V which is actually less fluctuation that I have seen eskom provided power.

AVR on generator or UPS shouldnt matter, it's correcting power output plain and simple.
 
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As someone posted before, newer power supplies don't really care, from ver 2.3 it seems.

Parameter Minimum Nominal* Maximum Unit
Vin (230 VAC) 180 230 265
Vin Frequency 47 -- 63 Hz

Not too sure about the rest though :confused:
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Sorry for the long story!
I am no electrical expert but thought that all PSU’s using 12 volt batteries had an inverter as standard to convert the 12v DC battery to 220volt AC to power the electronics no matter what version software. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Inverter - A traditional inverter draws power from a fixed DC source typically a comparatively fixed source like a car battery or a solar panel, and uses electronic circuitry to “invert” the DC power into the AC power. The converted AC can be at any required voltage and frequency with the use of appropriate equipment, but for consumer-level applications., the most common combination is probably taking the 12V DC power from car, boat or RV batteries and making it into the 220V AC power required for most everyday uses.

Generators - A conventional generator is nothing more than an engine connected to an alternator and run at a speed that produces the desired AC frequency, regardless of the load on it (as the load increases the engine throttles up to keep the engine speed the same). The output of the alternator is connected directly to the load, without any processing.

With an inverter generator, the engine is connected to an efficient alternator, which produces AC electricity, just like a conventional generator. But then a rectifier is used to convert the AC power to DC and capacitors are used to smooth it out to a certain degree. The DC power is then “inverted” back into clean AC power of the desired frequency and voltage (e.g. in USA, 110-120VAC @ 60Hz). Regulation is very good and this system produces consistent power characteristics independent of the engine speed.

The result is much “cleaner” power (“pure sine waves”) than is possible with a conventional generator, essentially the same quality of electricity that you typically get from your electric company (Escom???). Why is this important? Well, more and more products today use some form of microprocessor.

Not just your computer, but also your phones, TVs, game consoles, printers, DVD players, and even kitchen appliances and power tools. And all these microprocessors are very sensitive to the quality of the electricity they use. Using power that isn't "clean" can make these devices malfunction, or even damage them.

So any application that uses sensitive electronics – and that includes a lot more things than you might think – will likely benefit substantially from the cleaner power provided by an inverter
 
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Inverter Generator - Ideal
AVR - Essential for sensitive electronics
UPS with AVR - Essential if generator does not have AVR
Generator with AVR + UPS with AVR - Nice double security
UPS without AVR - Useless

Inverter Generator's are relatively new in adoption and people have been using and still are using generator's with AVR for quite some time now with no problems. Inverter generators cant provide nearly the power that a traditional one can.
 
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Just took a meter and measured PC setup..

2 * 23" LED monitors
1 * Logitech Z5500 speaker set
1 * USB 3 powered hub
1 * ADSL Router
1 * Gigabit 8 port Switch
1 * Mikrotik Router
1 * PC (Core i5 2500k, SSD's only, Radeon 270x 3GB GFX Card Running FurMark Stress Test, Corsair AX760i PSU )
Note PSU is 92% efficient at load

520 watts 2.6 amps - (572VA), 200 watts less at idle (youtube, web browsing)

If anyones interested DSTV + 40" LED TV + Roku + 5.1 Setup + microserver = 200 watts @ 1A

The graphics card made the big difference, you could do 2 PC's if you were not using the other at load.

Hope that helps
 
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Hi

I am looking at getting this exact one, hows the noise level on it ?
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It sounds like a genny...:p
This is my first genny so can't really compare. But if you run it from your garage, you will be able to only hear it faintly.
 
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KinsZA said:
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Just took a meter and measured PC setup..

2 * 23" LED monitors
1 * Logitech Z5500 speaker set
1 * USB 3 powered hub
1 * ADSL Router
1 * Gigabit 8 port Switch
1 * Mikrotik Router
1 * PC (Core i5 2500k, SSD's only, Radeon 270x 3GB GFX Card Running FurMark Stress Test, Corsair AX760i PSU )
Note PSU is 92% efficient at load

520 watts 2.6 amps - (572VA), 200 watts less at idle (youtube, web browsing)

If anyones interested DSTV + 40" LED TV + Roku + 5.1 Setup + microserver = 200 watts @ 1A

The graphics card made the big difference, you could do 2 PC's if you were not using the other at load.

Hope that helps
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Thanks for the testing and feedback. This is very useful info.
 
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Gezza said:
It sounds like a genny...:p
This is my first genny so can't really compare. But if you run it from your garage, you will be able to only hear it faintly.
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One more question, what oil does it take and how much :)
 
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