Bye Bye Cape Town for WC 2010

[mac_mac74]

Please, get it into your head that the whole country doesn't revolve around your crap city.

The WC will be cancelled in SA anyway..

The only good thing about CPT is the road out of it.

another jealous "outsider" perhaps

 

[mashilom]

I think everyone is being too harsh on The Residents that are Appealing.
For a start it is their right to appeal.

The Mayor or nobody for that matter should try and circumnavigate the law or make comments about what people should or shouldn't do. Actually saying that they must be on site by a certain time framework etc, is an infraction of the law to a certain extent IMO.
It is saying that come the end of the Appeal Process we are going to start building!?
But fails to mention that The Appeal Process and the result of that process have still to be heard.
What if the Development is thrown out at the Appeal Process?

The Residents feel that because Council and Province have got political pressure bearing on them to produce a Stadium in Cape Town they must push the Development through. This is nonsense.
This planning stage should have happened within a year of us being awarded the 2010 Soccer World Cup. They would have been past this point already.
Now that time is of the essence, it is The Residents fault that they are objecting and holding up The Development.
The Residents can only object once they have the papers and plans to object against and how long has that been?

In other threads I have proposed other suitable sites for the 2010 Soccer World Cup in Cape Town and even sent these plans for attention of The Mayor et al.
Not even a reply or acknowledgement.
Getting used to been ignored by Council Officials.

Does anyone here not living in Cape Town know that it can take an hour and a half to travel to the City Bowl in the traffic. What the heck is it going to look like in 2010?
Personally I think the City of Cape Town with National Government holding back on funds have been the root cause of why we are no nearer to a conclusion than when we were at the time of the granting of the 2010 SWC.
For a start The Mayor of Cape Town had to ask National Government this year how much Cape Town was getting in the way of funds. Why? This should be the other way around. National Government took it upon itself to bid for 2010. Cape Town just didn't want to sit with the bill.
Also FIFA. Why must they insist on Green Point when Newlands or Athlone could/would do. It is only a semi final. Perhaps the setting under Table Mountain was what lured them to that position. Even the massive investment in hotels and property at The Waterfront in anticipation of the event.
All revolves around big money in that area IMHO.

And why not spend 2 Billion on the Cape Flats where it is needed and where the people that actually play soccer live.
There are still other options that could work, but too little too late for that now.

If you truly had the interest of Cape Town at heart! You would know that the proposed stadium would actually add more value to that area of Cape Town and Cape Town in general.

Building it anywhere on the Cape Flats would really turn it into the White Elephant that everyone else wants it to be.

The Current Green Point Stadium and the Green Point stadium are indeed in dire need of this development.

It is just that some residents fail to see beyond the "hoardes of unruly black people blowing their noisy "foefoe se laas" coming to invade their usually quiet suburb".

Cape Flats People are also Capetonians.

 

[mashilom]

Fifa is asking for that particular site but it will be a semi-final site to so that means that infrastructure in and around the area is going to be upgraded to.
I have been listening to Cape Talk for the past few weeks were this issue has been debated, a hot topic of debate for a while now.
We all know government is not going to shift those funds somewhere else, they made it available for the WC and its national funding not provincial if it was provincial I'd be just as upset as the money could be used for better causes. That piece of land needs to be upgraded and it could now be with the metro spending minimal funds and if an infrastructure upgrade is thrown in to boot I dont see why not. As i can see it its a use it or lose it senario.

Hi Gunny! I am so hoping that you are a white person, if so I love you stax! At least one of a few who are thinking positively! Enough with this negative energy! Green Point Stadium will be upgraded, we are going to have an interesting Semi Final, lots of other potential tourists will see Cape Town and Table mountain in the background ... And Bahts, Euros, Dollars, Yens will come our way,

After the semi-finals, the blacks and coloureds will go back to the Cape Flats! The Western Province Rugby Union will move into Green Point Stadium ... There will be lots of Parking for all 4x4's. And somehow strangely the Green Point Common which houses a much better improved Green Point stadium will be the pride and joy of the Mouille/Green Point Rate Payers Association!

Mr Polovin, will wish he was a Van der Merwe! A True White African!

 

[mashilom]

This is a democracy, let them go to court but I honestly can't see how a bunch of old rich farts are going to stop the World Cup from happening in the city.

The old white farts are just bitter...they've been threatening action to preserve the Metropolitan Golf Club which is situated on land leased from council (lease ends in 1999) and now they're plucking at straws once again disputing the technicalities around approval of the site.

I can't see how any court will favour these pensioners who are intent on holding millions of people hostage with their silly demands.

My Point Exactly! I luv ya! Brixton Tower! Give me a call and we can BEE Towards a Prosperous Future Together!

 

[mashilom]

Thanks to WC, we in the Western Cape might have to fork out another 10c per liter for petrol. The bill for the stadiums is up to over the 8 Billion rand. We are behind schedule and the workers are ready to strike when the first spade hits the ground. The minister of sport told the german and english soccer supporter unions that we have no crime trouble in this country!
PLEASE DO NOT HOLD THE WC IN ZA. IT IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST FLOP THAT AFRICA HAS EVER HAD!!

You were probably, one of those who were saying that the World Cup will not be given to South Africa. And chances are you were cursing when that Sepp Platter guy anounced that South Africa got it. You probably were very excited when Another Capetonian decided that he will singlehandedly destroy South Africa's hopes of hosting the World Cup by publishing scare stories about crime and publishing fake photos on the web.

If you were a proud South African you would make sure that the World Cup becomes a success. Because if it fails! People will be looking at you with your South African Passport and saying: "You hosted the crappiest World Cup ever".

Now get of your butt and start doing something, instead of forever saying "you people! you did this and that" as if you are not part of this country.

The sad thing is if you don't join "us" now you will be the saddest when the SA World Cup is over, because it will be the best thing to ever come out of the African Continent without help from "you" people!

 

[mashilom]

Do any of you guys even watch soccer? I thought South Africans prefer rugby & cricket.... so you might as well give up the World Cup so we can have it in the US .

Do any of you guys in the US even watch soccer. I thought Americans prefer Gridiron & Basketball so you might as well give up the World Cup so that Turkmenistan can have it! Duhhhh!

 

[mashilom]

Read that The Mayor of Cape Town was prepared to fork out R400Million.
An estimate today can double in the space of 3 and a half years.
Wouldn't bank on that being the final tally.

Strange how only when the Mayor of Cape Town made a lot of noises of money did National Government start to talk figures. Almost like someone will mysteriously just pay for the Stadiums out of their own good nature.

I think there is very poor planning going on at National Government level with the Soccer World Cup. We hear and read about all the things that are supposed to happen, but until I see the completed Stadiums anything they say is not worth talking about.

Trevor Manuel may be pumping in the money, but most of the other Departments in Government are nowhere near a standard that can be considered near normal.
The City of Cape Town's Planning Department has gone through a bad patch. We have technicians and clerks appointed as Planners. When you speak to them they are arrogant and make you look like a fool hiding behind their own ignorance.
Had dealings with the "Planners" here at the South Peninsula Administration recently on a matter that after 2 weeks of waiting for an answer I am no nearer to an answer than when when I first asked in writing and via telephone and I am really getting frustrated as they cannot give you a straight answer and admit to passing the buck.
They may as well tell me to get lost as then at least I would know where I stand.

BTTB & Air! Your objections are not really about Green Point Stadium ... you have deep seated issues regarding the way the country is being run etc. The Question is rather than moan what are you doing about the situation. Do like your Heroine Zille and walk the talk!

 

[jontyB]

I'm impressed. Only took 3 posts to play the race card.

 

[MacNabs]

another jealous "outsider" perhaps

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Gould not agree more, why would you want to live anywhere else in SA.

Back to the topic of the stadium, its sad really that the greenpoint people are opposing this. But worse case senario in my opinion would be to just move it to Newlands, after all FIFA approved Newlands to be sufficient for the WC in Cape Town.

 

[telkomsuig]

Dunno why this is such a big issue. If they can't / don't want to build the stadium then cape town will just have to host the smaller games and durban and jhb can pick up the bigger games. There is no more time to play the political game, either Cape Town get their act together or they loose out on the bigger games.

 

[KelvinM]

I think we have a bigger issue at hand to resolve like the the crime rate in the whole country.
these people are coming for the sport from around the world if we hope to have a world cup held here.
There are a lot of tourists at risk if we hope to recover the expenses of this wold cup, we must give them a secure environment to walk freely without the constant threat of violence.
At the moment we are as bad as the Middle East with murder and mayhem
If this dos not change we have no chance of hosting any other major world event.
And severely damaging our Tourist trade what left of it.

 

[BTTB]

BTTB & Air! Your objections are not really about Green Point Stadium ... you have deep seated issues regarding the way the country is being run etc. The Question is rather than moan what are you doing about the situation. Do like your Heroine Zille and walk the talk!

Yo Mashilom
Wassup?

Not sure where you pulled that from.
My intentions have always been positive around the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

See this thread entitled My Suggestion for the 2010 Soccer World Cup Stadium in Cape Town - 56K Warning and specifically the picture of a location at Youngsfield that is central to a host of other similar sporting venues and is just ground standing vacant, doing nothing and owned by the Department of Defence.

Take a look, reply to my suggestion whether you think this is/was a good idea or not and come back to me.
I would be interested to hear your comment.

 

[GavinMannion]

I think we have a bigger issue at hand to resolve like the the crime rate in the whole country.

Absolutely and obviously not hosting the world cup is going to sort out our crime problem.... Why didn't anyone else think of this.....

... How about if we host the world cup 200 000 more people get jobs which means 200 000 more people won't be committing crime? Nah stupid thought... Lets can the whole idea and rather go back to complaining about important things...

 

[air]

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[GavinMannion]

just saw it now, question fro Gavin, for how long after the WC will those 200K people be employed? are those jobs not of a temporary nature?

No there are many more jobs being created which are temp jobs. The full time jobs are being taken in by transport companies, infrastructure companies, stadium maintenance and personnel and such.

I am to lazy now to check the details but to answer the direct question. No they are not all temp jobs.

 

[BTTB]

Govt guarantees 2010 fan safety

Govt guarantees 2010 fan safety

If the 2010 SWC turns out to be a hit, South Africa's image will be restored.
I personally hope it is successful.

 

[feo]

Yeah and all the people like Prometheus and others who say it's gonna be a total stuff up should be blacklisted from being able to buy tickets, people like that who in 2010, I guarantee you, will be telling all their buddies "Oh I knew it was gonna be a big success all along"...pffffffft

 

[Vrotappel]

Absolutely and obviously not hosting the world cup is going to sort out our crime problem.... Why didn't anyone else think of this.....

... How about if we host the world cup 200 000 more people get jobs which means 200 000 more people won't be committing crime? Nah stupid thought... Lets can the whole idea and rather go back to complaining about important things...

Many of the people committing crime are really not interested in normal jobs. **** pay, **** hours, etc.

 

[jontyB]

Many of the people committing crime are really not interested in normal jobs. **** pay, **** hours, etc.

You would be surprised how many hijackers and Cash in Transit heisters hold down day jobs.

 

[feo]

lol they need to "supplement" their income somehow