Bye Bye Cape Town for WC 2010

[kilo39]

Build the stadium in Athlone where it will do most good. Done deal. End of story.

Now tell me why they won't?!

They won't because of their abject failure over 12 years that makes it "less likely to go to Athlone" //security, transport, not so pretty!!

(and Athlone actually has an equally pretty view!)

 

[Syndyre]

As far as I know, FIFA approved the Greenpoint stadium, the Newlands stadium was offered as an alternative venue for the Confederations Cup in 2009, but FIFA did not want that. And I believe sponsorship commitments rules Newlands out of the equation?

Ok I didn't know all those specifics, presume you're correct.

 

[kilo39]

Unfortuantely (notwithstanding my previous post) GP is best: close to town, all the hotels, waterfront, etc: tourist centre. Easy security, can walk it.

Pity CT is losing a golf-course, football fields, a bowling club(?) etc. Environmental impact will likely destroy the value of the property though having a world class stadium will likely raise it.

All in all doesn't seem a very creative solution (convenient is all.) I have faith the council, incumbents will come to an 'equitable solution.' BUT really they have had years to sort this out and the blame must be laid firmly at the feet of the previous regime.

 

[Bageloo]

Unfortuantely (notwithstanding my previous post) GP is best: close to town, all the hotels, waterfront, etc: tourist centre. Easy security, can walk it.

Pity CT is losing a golf-course, football fields, a bowling club(?) etc. Environmental impact will likely destroy the value of the property though having a world class stadium will likely raise it.

All in all doesn't seem a very creative solution (convenient is all.) I have faith the council, incumbents will come to an 'equitable solution.' BUT really they have had years to sort this out and the blame must be laid firmly at the feet of the previous regime.

I thought the residence were holding up the process! Why blame the previous regime or the current regime for that matter?

 

[GavinMannion]

From what I see on the news I blame the DA currently. They seem to scared to make a solid committment and are trying to make everyone happy.

Reminds me a lot of the DA over the last 5 years. They need to make a decision quickly.

Last I heard they are going to make another decision at the end of January which is to late and they won't call an emergency meeting before then. Sorry that is unacceptable.

 

[kilo39]

I thought the residence were holding up the process! Why blame the previous regime or the current regime for that matter?

How long has Zille been in power?!

Therefore the previous regime had years to sort this out with the residents.

 

[GavinMannion]

Sad excuse. That is as bad as the current government blaming everything on apartheid.

I want a political party that will sort things out quickly, fairly and efficiently. Not this crap about blaming every other @ss that has been in the same seat.

Zille, sort it out or get out and let somebody else do it. No excuses no time wasting. Show us that you deserve to be there.

 

[Natas]

WHat teh article doesnt say is that the site they want to use also has significant heritage and cultural value. The site involved will include the cricket field opposite the existing stadium, this cricket field was the firsst cricket filed in South Africa where non-whites were allowed to play cricket. Also....the site in question is where the world had its VERY FIRST concentration camp...thats right, South Africa invented and was the first country to have concentration camps.

These heritage and cultural aspects form part of teh environmental concerns. Also, its about time that South Africa just stop rolling over and allowing people to build whatever they want whereever they want with an utter disregard for environmental concerns.

I am not saying that it should be built right there, I just think that the developers should be made to strictly comply with whatever environmental concerns needs to be in place. Deveopers are notorious for saying that they will comply with environmental conditions but NEVER DO. they build, get paid and liquidate the company. Fortuntely the people who will be effeceted are rich and powerful enough to actually do somehting about it. If and when the stadium gets built somewhere on teh Cape FLats, the developers will do as they please to teh community and then leave teh place in a shambles.

 

[kilo39]

Sad excuse. That is as bad as the current government blaming everything on apartheid.

I want a political party that will sort things out quickly, fairly and efficiently. Not this crap about blaming every other @ss that has been in the same seat.

Zille, sort it out or get out and let somebody else do it. No excuses no time wasting. Show us that you deserve to be there.

The ANC were in power in CT for how many years!!!! Now it is up to ZILLE!!!!

ANC = I want a political party that will sort things out quickly, fairly and efficiently
Ja, right = why are you a member of this forum again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Natas]

Build the stadium in Athlone where it will do most good. Done deal. End of story.

Now tell me why they won't?!

They won't because of their abject failure over 12 years that makes it "less likely to go to Athlone" //security, transport, not so pretty!!

(and Athlone actually has an equally pretty view!)

The satdium should not be built in Athlone. It will not benefit people one bit. They will say that it will create jobs and provide facilities for the people in the area and allow for economic development and the promotion of small to medium businesses in the area.

It might create at most 30 jobs, for janitors, toilet cleaners, and garners, and ofcourse a load of car guards. Once the world cup is over, what kind of event will be held htere again? it will cost people way to much to hold events there and the stadium is so big that it will never be filled again. Once teh world cup is over the stadium will be used once every five years for a concert or something. Businesses will flourish during the worldcup, but once it is over, those businesses will die a quick but painfull death.

Also and lets not forget that during contruction the developers will mess up teh place and then leave the place in a shambles.

 

[RompelStompel]

...thats right, South Africa invented and was the first country to have concentration camps..

South Africa didn't invent the concentration camp system.

Britain and Spain developed and used these camps in military campaigns.

 

[kilo39]

Just in...

Fresh political bickering between Western Cape Premier Ebrahim Rasool and Cape Town mayor Helen Zille has again poisoned the frantic planning of the 2010 Green Point stadium.

Teams of expert officials from both the province and council have been working furiously to ensure construction may legally begin next month.

But on Wednesday Rasool seized upon a "mistake" by the city and immediately took to the political battlefield, accusing the council of causing yet further delay.

At a hastily called press conference, he said the city had committed a serious procedural blunder.
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"I am... dismayed that the City of Cape Town has either misread the law or that they have allowed incompetence into the process, so much so that we now have this delay," Rasool said.
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But Zille said this morning: "It is a storm in a teacup and mischief-making.

"A couple of weeks ago Premier Rasool came to see me in my office. We produced a detailed, step-by-step work plan."

She described the matter as "incredibly complex legally", but said: "The city has stuck to every detail of this work plan and met every deadline.

"This seems to me to be a storm in a teacup, motivated by the ANC's political interests at provincial level," Zille said.

"We will calm the waters today (Thursday) and there should be no undue delay. There is nothing the city has done to justify MEC Essop's refusal to approve the rezoning."
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"I am tired of the creation of political suspicion. The city has been working closely with the province at all levels, and there is joint decision-making on 2010. Rezoning is a provincial competency.
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"Why hold back a decision on it? The process was agreed at all levels. Why is there suddenly a problem now?

"I suggest that the premier and minister Essop be a bit more careful and read all the decisions taken in council pertaining to the stadium," she said.

"I think when they do, they may realise that they have egg on their faces."
'Rasool and Essop should be more careful' December 21 2006

[Some in] The ANC are racist scumbags who are the worst thing for this country!!

 

[Natas]

South Africa didn't invent the concentration camp system.

Britain and Spain developed and used these camps in military campaigns.

well okay after the Spanish..but like I always say...never let the truth get in the way of a good story

 

[Bageloo]

Just in...



[Some in] The ANC are racist scumbags who are the worst thing for this country!!

What about the whites in the ANC ? Are they also racist ?
this seems and sounds like a brain fart to me...

 

[kilo39]

What are about the whites in the ANC ? Are they also racist ?
this seems and sounds like a brain fart to me...

Take your brain-fart and stick it where it belongs!!

Which part of [some in] don't you understand!!

 

[GavinMannion]

The ANC were in power in CT for how many years!!!! Now it is up to ZILLE!!!!

ANC = I want a political party that will sort things out quickly, fairly and efficiently
Ja, right = why are you a member of this forum again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I never said the ANC should/could sort it out.... Get off your high horse and realise the DA is not the be all and end all of all political parties...

It is up to Zille now because she is in charge, she must sort it out. Simple as that.

Solutions not problems.

Just in...

"I suggest that the premier and minister Essop be a bit more careful and read all the decisions taken in council pertaining to the stadium," she said.

"I think when they do, they may realise that they have egg on their faces."

[Some in] The ANC are racist scumbags who are the worst thing for this country!!

Dude you picked a news article that has already been responded to. Try keep up please.

Responding to Zille's "egg on their faces" comment, Rasool replied in a statement: "This is one issue where I don't mind being wrong, in fact, I wish that the mayor was right so that we can get on with making a final decision about building the stadium.

"However, having engaged our lawyers and again gone through the documentation, we are strengthened in our belief that the city did not make a decision as it was meant to do. Instead mayor Zille has missed the fact that the lawmakers in the city are the competent authority in this case."

He said as further evidence of this his office had found no documentary evidence that the city had called for appeals and entertained them in the prescribed 21-day period.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Soccer/0,,2-9-840_2047579,00.html

What about this entire debacle is racist anyway? Why do people in SA always bring up race????

Can you not see the irony of the DA blaiming the previous authority for it's current problems? It's the exact same thing every useless government official does when they are backed into a corner. Don't allow it and don't entertain it.

I take over crappy projects all the time and no one gives a **** that the last guy messed it all up. My options are sort it out or leave. Same thing for Zille.

Sort it out or get out.

 

[GavinMannion]

Take your brain-fart and stick it where it belongs!!

Which part of [some in] don't you understand!!

Maybe it's time you knocked off and went for a beer, you have lost all objectivity on this thread.

 

[kilo39]

I never said the ANC should/could sort it out.... Get off your high horse and realise the DA is not the be all and end all of all political parties...

It is up to Zille now because she is in charge, she must sort it out. Simple as that.

Solutions not problems.

Dude you picked a news article that has already been responded to. Try keep up please.

http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Soccer/0,,2-9-840_2047579,00.html

What about this entire debacle is racist anyway? Why do people in SA always bring up race????

Can you not see the irony of the DA blaiming the previous authority for it's current problems? It's the exact same thing every useless government official does when they are backed into a corner. Don't allow it and don't entertain it.

I take over crappy projects all the time and no one gives a **** that the last guy messed it all up. My options are sort it out or leave. Same thing for Zille.

Sort it out or get out.

Dude - show me on this thead where the article I posted had already been 'responded to'?

Second: notably you are posting 'a response' from 'news24' - contrary to your belief I do not have instant brain publication across internet sites. Is this how the anc does business!? Obscurest FUD!? (fear, upset, delusion)



It is up to Zille now because she is in charge, she must sort it out. Simple as that

Typical. The anc were in power for 10 years: now it is up to Zille to sort it out (what kind [-]of sicko[/-] are you?)

What about this entire debacle is racist anyway? Why do people in SA always bring up race????

I am bringing up race: as I have watched and heard the anc's maneuvering on this one. Sickening.

Can you not see the irony of the DA blaiming the previous authority for it's current problems? It's the exact same thing every useless government official does when they are backed into a corner. Don't allow it and don't entertain it.

Ag please. Maybe you should go for that beer.

Sort it out or get out.

And there you have it: their mess but we must sort it out. Typical. Or get out. Typical anc.



Maybe it's time you knocked off and went for a beer, you have lost all objectivity on this thread.

I am responding to a personal attack, similar to this one.

 

[Masu]

What about the whites in the ANC ? Are they also racist ?
this seems and sounds like a brain fart to me...

I cannot say that they are or not, however did anyone watch the video showing Kasrils singing the Umkhonto we Sizwe song about "kill the whites" ?

Sounds racist to me.

 

[GavinMannion]

Is this how the anc does business!? Obscurest FUD!? (fear, upset, delusion)

Typical. The anc were in power for 10 years: now it is up to Zille to sort it out (what kind [-]of sicko[/-] are you?)

Why am I a sicko? Because I expect the mayor of the city who has been mayor since March to sort it out? You do realise she is the one who stopped the planning not the ANC?

I am bringing up race: as I have watched and heard the anc's maneuvering on this one. Sickening.
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And there you have it: their mess but we must sort it out. Typical. Or get out. Typical anc.

The ANC never brought race into this argument. They are also not the ones responsible for stopping the process of the stadium. Are you just embarrassed the DA has buggered up so badly?