California wildfires: At least 84 are killed in deadliest blaze

[schumi]

Thirteen more bodies have been recovered in California, bringing the death toll in the US state's deadliest wildfire to 42, officials say.

The remains were found in and around the largely incinerated town of Paradise, in the north of the state.

At least 228 people are missing, as the Camp Fire continues to rage. Nearly 7,200 structures have been destroyed, and another 15,500 are at risk.

The fire has now surpassed the 1933 Griffith Park disaster that killed 31.

Speaking at a news conference on Monday evening, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea confirmed the number of dead, and the official number of missing.

Many more people are said to be unaccounted for.

More at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46190118

 

[ponder]

And that trump guy is complaining about the cost of the fires & mismanagement of forestry services, meanwhile it's mostly federal land and he cut their budgets

 

[Ninja'd]

 

[rietrot]

Crazy that the death toll keeps increasing. Surely after the first few Darwin awards people sould realise to get away.

 

[Cray]

Scary stuff..

https://www.netflix.com/title/80117902

Good Netflix series on firefighters in the 2016 fire season.

 

[Cray]

Crazy that the death toll keeps increasing. Surely after the first few Darwin awards people sould realise to get away.

I think people leave it too late and don't realise the pace of the fire, also there are stories of people abandoning their cars and running - which basically screws anyone else behind them in the traffic jam.

 

[rietrot]

And that trump guy is complaining about the cost of the fires & mismanagement of forestry services, meanwhile it's mostly federal land and he cut their budgets

He's complaining about mismanagement. Fires should not get this out of control with propper forestry.

 

[Cray]

He's complaining about mismanagement. Fires should not get this out of control with propper forestry.

Talking out of his a** as per usual....

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-trump-california-fires-20181110-story.html

Some firefighters took to social media to point out the distinction.
“Mr. President, with all due respect, you are wrong. The fires in So. Cal are urban interface fires and have NOTHING to do with forest management. Come to SoCal and learn the facts & help the victims,” the Pasadena Firefighters Assn. said on Twitter.

 

[rietrot]

Talking out of his a** as per usual....

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-trump-california-fires-20181110-story.html

It's the same thing. There should be proper fire breaks especially between the forest and residential areas. Propper forest management is more important closer to residential houses. Who is responsible depends on local laws, and I would think the home owners were negligent. But that doesn't mean he is talking out of his ass. It means the idiots on the ground doesn't want to own up and accept responsibility.

 

[ponder]

He's complaining about mismanagement. Fires should not get this out of control with propper forestry.

Federal land, forrestry service allocated from federal budget, budgets were cut by him, more reliance on volunteer staff etc.

California has always had fire issues, hot dry climate. Big fires happen everywhere in the world, some just harder to contain than others. You can have the best prevention and it means nothing, the eagle creek fire hopped the frigging columbia river for example which is wider than any firebreak.

 

[Cray]

It's the same thing. There should be proper fire breaks especially between the forest and residential areas. Propper forest management is more important closer to residential houses. Who is responsible depends on local laws, and I would think the home owners were negligent. But that doesn't mean he is talking out of his ass. It means the idiots on the ground doesn't want to own up and accept responsibility.

Agree with you about the fire breaks and fuel clearance, but sometimes in a dense urban environment that isn't possible. Also fire can jump breaks in the right conditions regardless of how diligent people are at maintaining them

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...of-how-wildfires-spread-so-fast/#5246e5877791

 

[rietrot]

Federal land, forrestry service allocated from federal budget, budgets were cut by him, more reliance on volunteer staff etc.

California has always had fire issues, hot dry climate. Big fires happen everywhere in the world, some just harder to contain than others.

A lot of that fire issues are self created, with how they manage it. With propper fire breaks and letting small segments burn in a controlled manner it doesn't have to get this out of hand. There seems to be a history of environmentalist mismanaging the area and enforcing stupid policies. Those amounts of dead wood and undergrowth didn't build up in the less then 1 year were Trump could have had an effect on the funding.

 

[Gordon_R]

Selection of before and after photos: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46193429

 

[ponder]

A lot of that fire issues are self created, with how they manage it. With propper fire breaks and letting small segments burn in a controlled manner it doesn't have to get this out of hand. There seems to be a history of environmentalist mismanaging the area and enforcing stupid policies. Those amounts of dead wood and undergrowth didn't build up in the less then 1 year were Trump could have had an effect on the funding.

Lol if you think you can control natural fires even with 100% prep then yeah ok.

 

[rietrot]

Lol if you think you can control natural fires even with 100% prep then yeah ok.

We've been fighting and controlling fire natural or unnatural since the beginning of time. That's what the fire fighters are trying to do. Get the fire under control. You should probably go and tell them they're wasting their time. Some prep work would have made their jobs much easier.

If you know nothing about this, why do you keep on making stupid post. Go and educate yourself first.

 

[rietrot]

https://ewn.co.za/2018/11/15/at-least-56-killed-more-than-100-missing-in-california-wildfire

The remains of eight more victims were found on Wednesday in and around a northern California town overrun by flames last week, raising the death toll to 56 in a wildfire disaster that ranks as the most lethal and destructive in the state’s history.

The latest fatality count was announced hours after National Guard troops arrived to assist in combing through the ash-strewn ruins in what was left of Paradise, California, a Sierra foothills hamlet about 175 miles (280km) north of San Francisco.

More than 8,800 buildings, most of them houses, burned to the ground in and around Paradise, a hamlet once home to 27,000 people. An estimated 50,000 people remained under evacuation orders.

The footprint of fire grew to 135,000 acres (55,000 hectares) as of Wednesday, even as diminished winds and rising humidity allowed firefighters to carve containment lines around more than a third of the perimeter

 

[jack_spratt]

Interesting twitter thread showing very strange anomalies regarding Cali fire.

Twitter link

 

[rietrot]

Interesting twitter thread showing very strange anomalies regarding Cali fire.

Twitter link

Lol someone trying to cash in their insurance.

 

[Gordon_R]

Authorities still trying to count the casualties, now estimated to be 600 missing: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46230927

The official list more than doubled from 300 to 631 on Thursday.

At a news briefing, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea said this was because investigators had thoroughly cross-checked their information, including emergency calls made since the Camp Fire started on 8 November.

"I want you to understand that the chaos we were dealing with was extraordinary," Mr Honea said.

He stressed that the number of the missing would most likely fluctuate.

Brock Long, administrator of Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema), said the damage to Paradise was "one of the worst disasters" he had ever seen.

Military troops are assisting forensics teams and cadaver dogs as they continue to search for human remains.

Officials have warned the search operation could take weeks.

 

[Cray]

Interesting twitter thread showing very strange anomalies regarding Cali fire.

Twitter link

The level of stupid in that thread....

Another highly unusual issue with the California wild fires is the melting of aluminum and steel. Forest fires cannot melt steel beam