Cape Party launches bid for Western Cape independence

[Fulcrum29]

Cape Independence Party... sheez, CIP on the Kool-aid.

Independence is possible, but the Cape Party's approach is wrong. It is not going to happen.

 

[Jugo]

How sad that you felt the need to say this, and actually spent the energy to type this out.

Hahaha the Cape isn't seceding a55hole. The only thing more sad than what I said are people (disillusioned minorities - mainly whites thinking it will actually happen and everything will just go on as normal.)

If your solutions don't speak or address the problems of this AFRICAN country as a whole, you might as well keep them in those "high" IQ heads hahaha

 

[Jugo]

With that logic, then we should try solve all the problems for Africa too.

If your house is on fire, do you try and douse just one room or the entire building?

Think for Christ's sake.

 

[The Trutherizer]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why there might be a will for the WC to be independent. (it would arguably have it's pros)

That said. Changing the name of the party along such lines raises concerns for me.
What if the Western Cape does become independent?
Will it then be governed by a party which so closely links it's identity to that independence?
So that we can have that political message stuffed down our throats 24/7, just like the ANC is wont to do in the context the past? In a bid to maintain power for as long as possible. Controlling that discussion?

Sounds like a recipe for more BS to me.
Do something right (or at least more right), or don't do it at all.
If one set of tinpot identity politicking dictators are swapped for another set of tinpot identity politicking dictators then very little will have been achieved in the long run.

 

[Jugo]

Yeah let me start solving Eskoms problems. How selfish of me to install PV panels and not fix Eskom.

Let's see those PV panels protect you from the mob when Eskom actually completely fails and the unrest we saw last month escalates to even newer levels.

 

[Vorastra]

I look forward to the Western Cape paying for all the government infrastructure along with Koeberg.

Or do they think they can just leave with it.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

Let's see those PV panels protect you from the mob when Eskom actually completely fails and the unrest we saw last month escalates to even newer levels.

Thats why we need independence. So that ANC problems can be dealt with. ANC police or army will also not protect me.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Personally I think a federated model would work quite well for SA. Not just WC secession but a totally federated model. The United States of South Africa.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why there might be a will for the WC to be independent. (it would arguably have it's pros)

That said. Changing the name of the party along such lines raises concerns for me.
What if the Western Cape does become independent?
Will it then be governed by a party which so closely links it's identity to that independence?
So that we can have that political message stuffed down our throats 24/7, just like the ANC is wont to do in the context the past? In a bid to maintain power for as long as possible. Controlling that discussion?

Sounds like a recipe for more BS to me.
Do something right, or don't do it at all.

I think this is the "strawman" thing. I think you are just talking nonsense because you want to say somethiong bad about WC independence but you dont know what to actually say.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Personally I think a federated model would work quite well for SA. Not just WC secession but a totally federated model. The United States of South Africa.

I think this is a good idea,
but they thought to do it with the entire Africa, and that didn't work out too well,

so again, time will tell if that idea gains strength.

 

[Jugo]

Thats why we need independence. So that ANC problems can be dealt with. ANC police or army will also not protect me.

The entire country needs independence from the ANC.

 

[Bobbin]

From lobbyist "pipedream" talk to actual political involvement at the polls. At least it's moving forward.

Whether they will get the support they need, I'm not sure. But good on them for taking the risk IMO. People are desperate for something positive, some hope, that we all know the rest of RSA won't ever deliver on.

 

[Scooby_Doo]

If your house is on fire, do you try and douse just one room or the entire building?

Think for Christ's sake.

Depends on how much fire there is and if I have enough water to put it out.

If we use your logic, I am basically throwing a half-empty bucket of water at an inferno instead of doing the logical thing like saving your ID documents.

But you crack on at playing fireman.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

The entire country needs independence from the ANC.

Unfortunately that is not really true when the WC is the only province voting against the ANC in numbers. What SA needs is determined by the people and the people want ANC, except for in the WC.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

If your house is on fire, do you try and douse just one room or the entire building?

Think for Christ's sake.

I just thought, that building is truely burnt fvcked like we thought it would. Maybe time to look for a flat in a different building independent of the old building that now burnt down.

 

[Chunk20]

From lobbyist "pipedream" talk to actual political involvement at the polls. At least it's moving forward.

Whether they will get the support they need, I'm not sure. But good on them for taking the risk IMO. People are desperate for something positive, some hope, that we all know the rest of RSA won't ever deliver on.

They have been part of three elections.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Personally I think a federated model would work quite well for SA. Not just WC secession but a totally federated model. The United States of South Africa.

I think this is a good idea,
but they thought to do it with the entire Africa, and that didn't work out too well,

so again, time will tell if that idea gains strength.

...sorry okes, I dropped this: /s

 

[The Trutherizer]

I think this is the "strawman" thing. I think you are just talking nonsense because you want to say somethiong bad about WC independence but you dont know what to actually say.

Ah. And this is exactly one of the concerns I had.
You support the effort to achieve Western Cape independence so strongly. That you lash out with knee jerk assumptions at anybody who has ANY criticism whatsoever against the party which is championing that cause. The party that is now even renaming itself to lay absolute claim to that cause. Been there, seen that - Effing hate the T-Shirts. And caps.
I DO NOT oppose WC independence.
I simply have a problem with the idea that a party calling itself "Western Cape Independence Party" may be running the show after they have achieved their goal. If they put it in their manifesto that they commit to changing the name after the fact, then my concern would be somewhat assuaged.

No carrot and stick for me. Thank you very much.

 

[Jugo]

Depends on how much fire there is and if I have enough water to put it out.

If we use your logic, I am basically throwing a half-empty bucket of water at an inferno instead of doing the logical thing like saving your ID documents.

But you crack on at playing fireman.

I lost brain cells while reading this.

My logic? I didn't offer up an exact solution as you claim my logic dictates that we throw a half empty bucket of water on an inferno. I simply pointed out that the WC seceding is a short sighted solution for the said inferno, which makes your statement that I offered up a solution invalid. Read carefully and think before replying to my posts, I didn't dub myself as Jimmy Neutron for the fvck of it.

 

[Benedict A55h0le]

Ah. And this is exactly one of the concerns I had.
You support the effort to achieve Western Cape independence so strongly. That you lash out with knee jerk assumptions at anybody who has ANY criticism whatsoever against the party which is championing that cause. The party that is now even renaming itself to lay absolute claim to that cause. Been there, seen that - Effing hate the T-Shirts. And caps.
I DO NOT oppose WC independence.
I simply have a problem with the idea that a party calling itself "Western Cape Independence Party" may be running the show after they have achieved their goal. If they put it in their manifesto that they commit to changing the name after the fact, then my concern would be somewhat assuaged.

No carrot and stick for me. Thank you very much.

It does seem like 1 of those #whatabouts. The name of the party, really? Lets 1st become independent before complaining about the party name. Focus people, the name of the party is 100% not important at the moment!