Car washers at some shopping malls pay a fee to work

[surface]

How do you know they don't pay taxes?

I don't get the hate towards car washers and car "guards". Do these haters complain and wonder why most of the Irene shop owners mostly accept cash (and machine is broken most of the times)- They probably don't pay taxes either.

Yes, I get annoyed at times as well but come on. Ganging up on these people to pay taxes. Chances are the BIG FAT GUY who gets ransom cash from these washers doesn't pay taxes either. But, we don't say a word as it is likely that he belongs to my tribe.

 

[Jefferson D'Arcy]

I've always questioned how you can clean a car without a hose and source of clean rinse water. This surely just rubs the dust into your paintwork.

 

[surface]

I've always questioned how you can clean a car without a hose and source of clean rinse water. This surely just rubs the dust into your paintwork.

Most of them (at melrose arch, mall of africa) seem to have access to fresh water but from what I checked briefly, they don't seem to have clean micro fibre cloth, if at all they carry a micro-fibre cloth. And that could create lot of micro scratches over time.

 

[TheChamp]

I've always questioned how you can clean a car without a hose and source of clean rinse water. This surely just rubs the dust into your paintwork.

Indeed it does, it's one of the biggest scams ever pulled in recent times.

 

[surface]

Indeed it does, it's one of the biggest scams ever pulled in recent times.

scam? I don't think it is intentionally done to defraud you of your car paint. They just don't know or don't care really and I don't really blame them for not caring.

 

[TheChamp]

scam? I don't think it is intentionally done to defraud you of your car paint. They just don't know or don't care really and I don't really blame them for not caring.

Yes no one is being defrauded of anything but It's like coming up with a new, revolutionary way of taking a bath that is fast and saves water, instead of a shower or a bath we now use a bowl with 5 litres of water, it technically has the same effect.

 

[surface]

Yes no one is being defrauded of anything but It's like coming up with a new, revolutionary way of taking a bath that is fast and saves water, instead of a shower or a bath we now use a bowl with 5 litres of water, it technically has the same effect.

It is the cloth quality that is a problem in my opinion. They usually have 10/15L bucket or a 20L paint bucket of water

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That is not requirement to register for vat. Over a certain amount you MAY apply to be vat registered. Over a certain amount you HAVE to be vat registered . If not vat registered you cannot charge vat regardless if a service is subject to vat or not.

Register for VAT | South African Revenue Service

Who should register for VAT? A person can only register for VAT if they are carrying on an enterprise. A “person” is defined in the VAT Act and includes, but is not limited to, an individual, company, partnership, trust fund and a municipality. “Enterprise” is a defined term in the VAT Act. It...

www.sars.gov.za

Sure, now how much does the middleman make with several centres under his control? It's a mafia operation of which SARS sees no revenue stream.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Turned a car guard down the other day when I went to a shopping complex. I never carry cash with me anyways. I said politely, no thanks.
Next thing the guy starts harrassing me from across the street saying: Sorry boss. Sorry. Sorry for asking YOU if I could earn some money and look after your car.
Turned around and asked the guy if he was actually seriously saying that, and he turned to help someone else.

1. He was a fat, overweight middle-aged smoker who couldn't chase a packet if he needed too, and wouldn't chase a car thief.
2. As I said, I never carry cash. I should have asked the guy if he had an EFT device so I could pay him the money he'd have earned.
3. If he cannot chase a car thief, what's he going to do? Tell me 15 minutes later my car was broken into by a guy who quickly hopped into a car whose number plate he never bothered to remember, nor the details of the car.

I never pay them for the most part. HATE getting out and there's a car guard in front of you. Hate it even more getting BACK to the car, and suddenly some guy who looks homeless and has a bright jacket on claims he was always looking after you car, when he was asleep around the corner.

I hate it so much that I avoid car parks with guards and either park far away where there are no guards or at a place like Cape Gate, I will pay a machine for covered parking where I won't be harassed.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I don't get the hate towards car washers and car "guards". Do these haters complain and wonder why most of the Irene shop owners mostly accept cash (and machine is broken most of the times)- They probably don't pay taxes either.

Yes, I get annoyed at times as well but come on. Ganging up on these people to pay taxes. Chances are the BIG FAT GUY who gets ransom cash from these washers doesn't pay taxes either. But, we don't say a word as it is likely that he belongs to my tribe.

Nope, see post #48:

Sure, now how much does the middleman make with several centres under his control? It's a mafia operation of which SARS sees no revenue stream.

You're condoning a wrong. it speaks volumes about your ethics.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I've always questioned how you can clean a car without a hose and source of clean rinse water. This surely just rubs the dust into your paintwork.

Even if they have a hose or clean rinse water, it runs off into the street drains and into the environment. So all those chemicals and oils end up in the environment. the reason washing a car in the street is illegal in first world countries like Germany where you have to use an approved car wash that separates the chemicals and oil from the drain water.

Many in SA want an EV and renewable energy for "green" reasons and then don't mind polluting the environment with car wash chemicals due to convenience. Absolutely hypocritical.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

They usually have 10/15L bucket or a 20L paint bucket of water grime.

Fixed.

 

[GhostSixFour]

Sure, now how much does the middleman make with several centres under his control? It's a mafia operation of which SARS sees no revenue stream.

I've posted here a couple of times. Axe income tax and bump up VAT to whatever is needed to make up the shortfall. That way everyone has to pay tax, from car guard to taxi driver and guy with informal exhaust shop on the side of the road. SARS can cut staff as they will only need to focus on business that claim VAT back.

 

[Gyre]

I don't get the hate towards car washers and car "guards". Do these haters complain and wonder why most of the Irene shop owners mostly accept cash (and machine is broken most of the times)- They probably don't pay taxes either.

Yes, I get annoyed at times as well but come on. Ganging up on these people to pay taxes. Chances are the BIG FAT GUY who gets ransom cash from these washers doesn't pay taxes either. But, we don't say a word as it is likely that he belongs to my tribe.

"These lazy people need to get jobs."

/Lazy people become car guards, petrol attendants and car washers

"No no not like that!"

 

[surface]

I've posted here a couple of times. Axe income tax and bump up VAT to whatever is needed to make up the shortfall. That way everyone has to pay tax, from car guard to taxi driver and guy with informal exhaust shop on the side of the road. SARS can cut staff as they will only need to focus on business that claim VAT back.

So, I have a income of top 3% in SA. I should pay same VAT (for ALL items) as our domestic who earns a fraction of my salary ? And then I have no PAYE to pay so I will be even richer ?

Where did you study economics ?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I've posted here a couple of times. Axe income tax and bump up VAT to whatever is needed to make up the shortfall. That way everyone has to pay tax, from car guard to taxi driver and guy with informal exhaust shop on the side of the road. SARS can cut staff as they will only need to focus on business that claim VAT back.

Including granny on her R1890 government pensioners grant?

 

[MilitantNightElf]

Yeah right. They voluntarily got to SARS and declare their income in order to pay their share. Are they VAT registered? After all, they provide a service which is subject to VAT.

You think they wash 42K cars a year at R50 a pop to qualify for the 220K minimum that sars requires for vat registration?

Why you think they are not employed by the mall? Minimum wage jobs also pay taxes.

 

[Mars]

You wouldn't consider it wrong if your boss asked for a percentage of your pay for you to continue being employed? South Africa has regressed a long way if people are finding corruption and extortion a norm.

I hear what you're saying, but you have it backward.

My mother was a hairdresser. She worked at many hair salons under different earning schemes. One was that she pays over a percentage of her earnings to the salon, the other was that she "rents" the chair. In both situations she had to buy her own materials, shampoo's, treatments and so on.

These car washers don't advertise, they don't pay rent or buy materials.
The terms are fair.

How would you expect the company maganing this to make money other than to take a cut of the car wash price?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You think they wash 42K cars a year at R50 a pop to qualify for the 220K minimum that sars requires for vat registration?

Why you think they are not employed by the mall? Minimum wage jobs also pay taxes.

Read the thread before posting. Post #48:

Sure, now how much does the middleman make with several centres under his control? It's a mafia operation of which SARS sees no revenue stream.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

These car washers don't advertise, they don't pay rent or buy materials.

Of course not. They're opportunists polluting the groundwater.