Car washers at some shopping malls pay a fee to work

[Mars]

Of course not. They're opportunists polluting the groundwater.

I didn't see that in the article. Are you sure?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I didn't see that in the article. Are you sure?

No, you didn't. I mentioned it in the thread. You should actually read the thread before jumping in and commenting so that you're up to speed and have the correct context. Post #51

Even if they have a hose or clean rinse water, it runs off into the street drains and into the environment. So all those chemicals and oils end up in the environment. the reason washing a car in the street is illegal in first world countries like Germany where you have to use an approved car wash that separates the chemicals and oil from the drain water.

Many in SA want an EV and renewable energy for "green" reasons and then don't mind polluting the environment with car wash chemicals due to convenience. Absolutely hypocritical.

 

[koeks525]

More at: https://groundup.org.za/article/car-washers-at-some-shopping-malls-pay-a-fee-to-work/

This certainly is not nice, but business is business, I guess. R4.5K to R10K a month in Cape Town is really rough; it'd be hard trying to cover rent and groceries with that.

This makes me wonder if it is fair to say immigrants generally get shafted in foreign countries. I saw a short clip about Nigerian doctors getting over-worked and underpaid in the UK. Something similar with immigrant farm workers in Canada. That, and a CEO say companies can save a lot of money by hiring foreign workers who can't speak perfect English

 

[GhostSixFour]

So, I have a income of top 3% in SA. I should pay same VAT (for ALL items) as our domestic who earns a fraction of my salary ? And then I have no PAYE to pay so I will be even richer ?

Where did you study economics ?

Almost like the VAT free basket of goods doesn't exist. They could broaden the basket if needs be.
Chances are, your consumption would stay the same, or even go up a bit if you have more expendable income, so you would likely contribute at least as much if not even a bit in terms of tax. Alternatively, you'll start saving more money, which is also a good habits for south africans to get into.

Including granny on her R1890 government pensioners grant?

Why is always the little old granny that earns R1890 a month that is thought about and never the beggar on the street corner bringing in R500 a day - tax free. Or the taxi drivers and their tax profit. Or the domestics that are getting their cash untaxed. Or the undocumented aliens living it up. ZA has a HUGE informal workforce with untaxed income. The solution to the money problem will never be solved by taxing the "rich" more, as they will just leave once it becomes too much. They can't tax businesses more, cause they'll leave as well.

The only real solution is to widen the tax base. They could even allow granny to claim some tax or her income - if she shows her income and expenditure. Lots of ways to help Granny.
Hey, who knows, that little old granny might even be able to get a higher grant if the money is collected fairly across the whole country.

 

[ForceFate]

If they are doing 10 car washes per day as they claim the pay after costs still seems very decent for what is menial/unskilled labour, R500/pd+.
R10k per month and not paying any taxes, gtfo

“We are about 50 car washers. When we wash we ensure the car is spotless so that there are no complaints and we get tips. Some clients tip between R10 and R50. When it’s busy, we clean about ten cars a day.”

^^^

 

[Mars]

No, you didn't. I mentioned it in the thread. You should actually read the thread before jumping in and commenting so that you're up to speed and have the correct context. Post #51

You can't use yourself as a source dude. You're making assumptions.

 

[surface]

^^^

Up to 50 cars a day, wow. These guys are rolling in money. I think people here who lost jobs due to BEE should try this.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Why is always the little old granny that earns R1890 a month that is thought about and never the beggar on the street corner bringing in R500 a day - tax free.

Because granny has no way of gaining employment or is too frail to work and there are many of them.

The only real solution is to widen the tax base. They could even allow granny to claim some tax or her income - if she shows her income and expenditure. Lots of ways to help Granny.

Granny has no other income at all. SASSA checks to see that.

Hey, who knows, that little old granny might even be able to get a higher grant if the money is collected fairly across the whole country.

Exactly what I said. The middleman running the car guard scam is getting away with plenty due to complicit centre management.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You can't use yourself as a source dude. You're making assumptions.

Where did I use myself as a source?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

50 Car washers x 10 cars per day x 20 litres of water per car = 10 000 litres of chemically contaminated water into the groundwater per day. Where are all the EV and renewable greenies now?

 

[GhostSixFour]

Because granny has no way of gaining employment or is too frail to work and there are many of them.


Granny has no other income at all. SASSA checks to see that.



Exactly what I said. The middleman running the car guard scam is getting away with plenty due to complicit centre management.

Granny is probably getting some money from her children, they keep moaning about "black tax" on social media everyday anyway. And Granny has an income - SASSA cheques. There is no reason why government couldn't get together with P&P or similar and agree with a type of card that allows granny to buy a select set of groceries that is tax free if paid with SASSA cards.

Yes, there is a lot of poor people in ZA. The current approach isn't gonna change that. Taxing the rich more sure as hell isn't gonna change that. More government debt isn't gonna change that. So something needs to happen.

Whatever though, not my problem anymore, I suppose.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Granny is probably getting some money from her children, they keep moaning about "black tax" on social media everyday anyway. And Granny has an income - SASSA cheques. There is no reason why government couldn't get together with P&P or similar and agree with a type of card that allows granny to buy a select set of groceries that is tax free if paid with SASSA cards.

Great idea but simplistic. Granny sometimes supports several unemployed people. Rural areas with tons of grannies do not have supermarkets. The closest to me is 170 km on tar, 130 km half dirt and tar, and 100 km on dirt only. There are plenty of grannies on SASSA in the town I am near. The taxi fare to a supermarket and back would eat almost half her SASSA pension. The cheaper shops she buys from in the town are cash only. No cards. The queue at the ATM takes 3 days because of this when SASSA pays out.

Yes, there is a lot of poor people in ZA. The current approach isn't gonna change that. Taxing the rich more sure as hell isn't gonna change that. More government debt isn't gonna change that. So something needs to happen.

Agree.

 

[Mars]

Where did I use myself as a source?

I asked you how you knew they where polluting the ground water and your answer was basically "Because I said so" and quoted your own post.

How do you know they are polluting the ground water?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I asked you how you knew they where polluting the ground water and your answer was basically "Because I said so" and quoted your own post.

How do you know they are polluting the ground water?

Where do you think the washing water goes? In some first world countries like Germany, washing your car in the street or driveway is illegal due to groundwater pollution. A car washing facility that separates the chemicals and oil from the water has to be used.

Yes, just as with everything else, there are rules about washing your car in Germany. Originally these rules were introduced to reduce the amount of soap that was making its way into the waste water system. Now, there are additional goals: reducing the amount of oil etc introduced into the waste water system and reducing the overall use of water.

the jpoc guide to washing your car in germany

jpoc.net

Some more links:

Is it illegal to wash your car in Germany?

Is it illegal to wash your car in Germany? Since car washing at home is banned in most parts of Germany , these self-service stations are suitable for people who like to do the car washing themselves. The water used does not get into the groundwater or simply seep into the ground, but is c...

faq-inf.com

Car Washing Laws in Germany – Depilación Sugaring

www.alexandriaprofesional.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/5dxkur

 

[Mars]

Where do you think the washing water goes? In some first world countries like Germany, washing your car in the street or driveway is illegal due to groundwater pollution. A car washing facility that separates the chemicals and oil from the water has to be used.

Yes, just as with everything else, there are rules about washing your car in Germany. Originally these rules were introduced to reduce the amount of soap that was making its way into the waste water system. Now, there are additional goals: reducing the amount of oil etc introduced into the waste water system and reducing the overall use of water.

the jpoc guide to washing your car in germany

jpoc.net

Some more links:

Is it illegal to wash your car in Germany?

Is it illegal to wash your car in Germany? Since car washing at home is banned in most parts of Germany , these self-service stations are suitable for people who like to do the car washing themselves. The water used does not get into the groundwater or simply seep into the ground, but is c...

faq-inf.com

Car Washing Laws in Germany – Depilación Sugaring

www.alexandriaprofesional.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/5dxkur

You are aware that there are "Waterless" car washes right? That operate in shopping center parking lots where there is not necessarily a large water supply or drainage?

I don't know if these car washers operate as waterless and how they deal with their waste, but I'm not making assumptions and neither should you.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You are aware that there are "Waterless" car washes right? That operate in shopping center parking lots where there is not necessarily a large water supply or drainage?

I don't know if these car washers operate as waterless and how they deal with their waste, but I'm not making assumptions and neither should you.

Read the thread then before commenting. The number of car washers and their methods are described. Do the car washers at shopping centres use waterless soap? You're OT and arguing a straw man.

 

[Mars]

Read the thread then before commenting. The number of car washers and their methods are described. Do the car washers at shopping centres use waterless soap? You're OT and arguing a straw man.

I'm not. I'm asking for your fsking verified source for your fsking claims. I have made no straw man. I have made no claims.

You made the claim, is the burden of proof on me or you?

You clearly have none otherwise you would have just provided them and moved and and there would be no need for the butt hurt on your part.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I'm not. I'm asking for your fsking verified source for your fsking claims. I have made no straw man. I have made no claims.

You made the claim, is the burden of proof on me or you?

You clearly have none otherwise you would have just provided them and moved and and there would be no need for the butt hurt on your part.

I gave you two verified sources for my claims. It doesn't take a genius to work out that chemicals from washing cars seep into the groundwater...

 

[Mars]

I gave you two verified sources for my claims. It doesn't take a genius to work out that chemicals from washing cars seep into the groundwater...

And I asked you how you know they are using that method?
You just assume that they are.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

And I asked you how you know they are using that method?
You just assume that they are.

Yeah right, car washers go out and buy expensive dry car wash because they're worried about the environment. When you next see one with dry powder, let us know. And what happens to the dry chemical when it rains? Into the groundwater or not?