Carte Blanche takes on Telkom

Kai

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that's nice. if you can find 10 friends that all live within 50 meters of you! LOL! That would be the ideal solution. Wish I could get all the people in my complex to consider that! :)

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In Randpark Ridge. Twin Oaks - just off Beyers Naude, on the other side of the highway from Cresta.

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Kai which tower do you connect to?
Silverstone is close enuf me thinks.
 

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12... er... 82... er... i think... what was the question again?

think it's ex-12, now 82, I'll check tonite and post it.

Mintek :D

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MyLowBandwidth

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CliveDoubell, fair statement. I must admit that in your situation I can empathise with you.
I think that new article by IT Web epitomizes what I was trying to say totally. Its governments fault and my personal sentiment is that nothing is gonna change. Hell maybe its their way of land reform and justice for our forefathers apartheid legacy...we'll all end up leaving SA in search of Broadband...LOL!!!

Article at http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/columnists/gettingreal/ashford040730.asp

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MyLowBandWidth - Thanks man - Sorry I went off the deep end a bit. I'm not really a racist - well sometimes a bit when I really get pissed off.

I agree with this article 100%. Telkom and Sentech are just the symptoms of the problem - the real problem is the government that had their economic education in the USSR. Talk about monopolies. These guys have a total monopoly on power with their 70% at the polls. And most of their millions of supporters can't even spell or afford broadband. Sad but true. So we, the more educated and hopefully enlighted members of the society are so absolutely in the minority that they really don't have to care about us. Even programs like Carte Blanch really mean nothing as most of those millions don't have access to MNet or DSTV.

The other problem is that Telkom, and probably Sentech, due to their top management structure, are really just extentions of the government. These people are part of the ANC inner circle, and therefore they also don't care about us. Like any political structure, independent of colour or race, they just want to retain and if possible increase their power. Will they do this by allowing loss of control of Telkom? No they won't. And the SNO? Well this will just be another parastatal type setup with the people at the top being part of the inner circle.

So how do you solve this problem.

All I can think of is to bomb them from space.
 

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Hi CliveDoubell

I agree partly with your comments, but I think there are other ways to address the problem. These big organizations might seem to be resistant to consumer action, but they are quite sensitive to it. By viewing the organization as a large organism makes it look unmovable, but it is made up of departments & individuals that are more sensitive to consumer action and complaints. Some of these departments/individuals would like to see happy consumers and believe in the policies that many might just view as cosmetic additions… Decisions by such departments/individuals can start moving a whole company in a certain direction, and the benefit is that their arguments and demands are backed up by policies. The recent action against Sentech is a good example. The problem might not have been solved completely, but things are moving in that direction. Even government is not immune to criticism. I am often amazed by the reaction from ministers/government about small media releases. One should expect them to just ignore it, but it is not what happens in reality… There is some hope due to human nature and the fact that these organizations are made up of sensitive individuals. Incompetence on the other hand is a problem which is much more difficult to address…

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I also agree that consumer action *can* make a difference. Sentech is probably a good example - I think they have been hit pretty badly due to negative press (their own fault, of course, as they made a decision in the beginning to just try to ignore and deny problems and consumer complaints for two months). I suspect their rate of new sign-ups has dropped a lot, and if they don't do something soon, they may not survive. 'Inner circle' management cannot protect them from these negative effects/results of bad management.

Now, regarding Telkom, it's worth pointing out that it's not only the skilled and economically active minority who are suffering from Telkom's monopoly, the 'bottom end' of the market (who are probably mostly part of that 70%) suffers even more from Telkom's ridiculously high prices. Telkom cut off 2 million of the 2.5 million customers it installed lines for as part of a agreement with government in exchange for continued monopoly, as those people couldn't afford the lines, particularly during the inflation 'pinch' when the R/$ went 13:1. Now a lack of education in this market segment combined with Telkom's wonderful feel-good advertising campaign probably prevents these people from realising/understanding who is to blame and why (although some may use this as 'further proof' that socialism is better and that capitalism excludes the poor, but we understand it's not capitalism at fault here but short-sighted greed). But this is a public education problem, e.g. these people don't have Carte Blanche, for example. The entire country actually suffers, and has fewer jobs, because of Telkom and government's continued protection thereof, and needs to be solved by creating more public awareness and understanding of the problem amongst the 70%. Why not bring up the topic for discussion on e.g. the local African language radio stations, who collectively have very broad reach? Explain to people in the process why Telkom's monopoly is costing the country jobs (e.g. cite that Telkom's prices, 400% higher than India's, are basically the only reason that South Africa is losing thousands of potential call-center jobs to India). Compare to other countries, explain that universally, creating competition has made prices lower and given access of services to more people in other countries. Telkom harms EVERYONE in SA, not just "the whites" or those who understand what broadband is, because their management are greedy and short-sighted and simply in for a "quick buck", and they're even starting to agitate the government itself. (Is Telkom run more by SBC or by the government?) This is why we need to coordinate such actions behind some sort of industry-created 'lobby group', who can facilitate the creation of such 'public awareness campaigns'.
 

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Well put rpm.

rpm for President! Oh dear .. he's already Administrator.
 

clivedoubell

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Hi rpm & Ditch

You guys make some very good points and I mostly agree. However I think there is a very long and hard road ahead. What I believe we need is some kind of Antitrust legislation that might even be written into the constitution. Similar to what they have in the USA and Europe. I wish I could be so positive as you guys. I'm waithing to see if Sentech will improve their service even after all the bad press. I'm not holding my breath.

On the other hand if we were living in China or North Korea we all would be in jail right about now - so there is some hope.

Cheers
Clive
 

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Is Carte Blanche planning a follow up on the Telkom story?

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gripen

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They dont do followups. But they do updates and only for the big stories (this is an average story for them).

What I dont get is that the people in Telkom (ie on CB on sunday) are from a certain group (someone said dark greens) and they are actually disadvanting their own "people" by being so obnoxious. On top of that, they want to take their precious jobs away. How can government allow these people to run one of the largest companies we have and not even care that their policies are the antithesis of job creation and societal upliftment for all. They think they are only raping the "white" people meanwhile everyone suffers even more. Its just so against the goals and ideals of post 1994 South Africa and it just continues. Unbelievable.
 

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It's time to reread "Animal Farm" The pigs are already in the farmhouse.
 

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I don't think race has anything to do with it. They are just another example of individuals that don't give a cra** about anybody else, they are only concerned with their own wallets. The moment they got into a position of power the stop caring about legislation, people etc. All that matters now is how much money they can scrounge together before some corruption claim takes them down.

Sentech a perfect example of: “When great ideas go terrible wrong!”
 

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So when is the video version of the insert from CB going live?

I think we should use DivX 5.0.2 or something to keep the size down - mywireless and all..
 

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Hi Greedyflyza

I am uploading it as we speak...I will let you guys know as soon as it is available...

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I personaly think that the piece will do wonders for our cause. Maybe it won't make telkom k@k right now, but now millions of people that may feel the same have just been advertised myadsl.co.za and hellkom.co.za. The more users we get here, the better our chances of succeeding in the end. Many people have our problems but don't know about places like this, Carte Blanche have just done more than we could ever do to make people realise that there is a community for people that are getting shafter by the big corporate ....
 
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