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DigitalSoldier
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can u guyz plz post here what u mailed carteblanch
All anybody on this forum ever seems to do is complain.
Telkom is doing all of us a favor by providing ADSL. They are not required to do it and they make much more tom from ISDN. They have no competition, so why should they invest in the infrastructure?
Complain enough and they'll terminate the services and you can all go back to dial-up. What will you complain about then??
If you want reliable, then shut up, and fork out the R7000pm for a leased line.
Telkom is doing all of us a favor by providing ADSL. They are not required to do it and they make much more tom from ISDN. They have no competition, so why should they invest in the infrastructure?
Complain enough and they'll terminate the services and you can all go back to dial-up. What will you complain about then??
If you want reliable, then shut up, and fork out the R7000pm for a leased line.
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we want a what we all are paying for, at current the telkom adsl service provided does have a value of about 400rand or so. well if u look at polls on games.saix.net asking what connection most ppl on the most voted adsl as most of sa's internet users are gamers and i think theres a lot more ppl on adsl than u think 
An just how do you get to a value of R400? R400 is the vale of the bandwidth alone (3 gigs), never mined the cost of the infrastructure.
Bandith in SA costs money and the wieners have no concept of the costs.
ps. We have leased lines at the office and test ADSL lines as well. ADSL is great value for money. They far outdo the satellite connection I have to use at home as there is not Telkom landline infrastructure.
Bandith in SA costs money and the wieners have no concept of the costs.
ps. We have leased lines at the office and test ADSL lines as well. ADSL is great value for money. They far outdo the satellite connection I have to use at home as there is not Telkom landline infrastructure.
Then why is bandwidth so expensive? It's because there are not many developments and innitiatives to get it cheaper. Nz, and the UK, asia, etc.. is just as far from the US as South Africa. The reason they have the type of bandwidth they have is because they have competition and innovative businesses competing to bring value to customers - not only one business that can do anything they please.
It's a miracle that ADSL is finally here. It has been available for years and Telkom probably finally gave into the pressure to supply it - After dragging it out for a couple of years. ADSL now needs some fine-tuning to get angry users to stop complaining and it looks like it will be another couple of years.. (if you look at the SNO side of things)
If they terminate the service then the media will be on them like flies. A country is supposed to make progress and that sort of thing... not the other way round. Doubt that they will discontinue it because they will have a lot of explaining to do and it will make them look very incompotent.
I think just to shut up will definitaly not solve anything. Will you shut-up if you think you are being ripped off - or just quietly say, thank you oh great telecomunications company because you make me think that you are ripping me off.
It's a miracle that ADSL is finally here. It has been available for years and Telkom probably finally gave into the pressure to supply it - After dragging it out for a couple of years. ADSL now needs some fine-tuning to get angry users to stop complaining and it looks like it will be another couple of years.. (if you look at the SNO side of things)
If they terminate the service then the media will be on them like flies. A country is supposed to make progress and that sort of thing... not the other way round. Doubt that they will discontinue it because they will have a lot of explaining to do and it will make them look very incompotent.
I think just to shut up will definitaly not solve anything. Will you shut-up if you think you are being ripped off - or just quietly say, thank you oh great telecomunications company because you make me think that you are ripping me off.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheRabbi</i>
<br />Telkom is doing all of us a favor by providing ADSL.
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What planet are you from, man?
This is exactly the type of attitude that will ensure that Africa continues to be the "dark continent".
So we have corrupt rulers, what do you expect, this is Africa.
So our infrastructure is falling apart, so what, this is Africa afterall.
So the roads have pothols, traffic lights don't work, and people drive like maniacs, what do you expect, this is Africa, afterall.
Well, I say that's bull****. Wake up!
There is no excuse for bad service.
There is no excuse for being rude to your customers and doing whatever you want.
There is no excuse for not doing your best.
If people don't expect service, they won't get it - it's a simple as that. And then maybe, this place will start to pick up....
<br />Telkom is doing all of us a favor by providing ADSL.
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What planet are you from, man?
This is exactly the type of attitude that will ensure that Africa continues to be the "dark continent".
So we have corrupt rulers, what do you expect, this is Africa.
So our infrastructure is falling apart, so what, this is Africa afterall.
So the roads have pothols, traffic lights don't work, and people drive like maniacs, what do you expect, this is Africa, afterall.
Well, I say that's bull****. Wake up!
There is no excuse for bad service.
There is no excuse for being rude to your customers and doing whatever you want.
There is no excuse for not doing your best.
If people don't expect service, they won't get it - it's a simple as that. And then maybe, this place will start to pick up....
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheRabbi</i>
<br />Telkom is doing all of us a favor by providing ADSL.
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No company will provide a service to satisfy others. They provide a service TO MAKE MONEY.
<br />Telkom is doing all of us a favor by providing ADSL.
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No company will provide a service to satisfy others. They provide a service TO MAKE MONEY.
To TheRabbi - GROW UP!
They are NOT doing us a favour - they are sqeezing as much profit from the service as possible.
Leased lines ARE NOT RELIABLE. I ran an ISP a few years ago. One of our products was a VPN offering - now why the hell would a client pay us a management fee to manage their Telkom infrastructure? Because Telkom's own network management was so bloody shocking.
As to shutting up - what an apathetic approach to life! WE WILL NOT SHUT UP - may I remind you that all of us have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or does that not count when we are dealing Telkom?
We are not "weiners who have no idea about costs" as you put it. Some of us have a deep understanding of the SA Internet scene as we have been involved in BUILDING IT FROM DAY ONE you dope!
They are NOT doing us a favour - they are sqeezing as much profit from the service as possible.
Leased lines ARE NOT RELIABLE. I ran an ISP a few years ago. One of our products was a VPN offering - now why the hell would a client pay us a management fee to manage their Telkom infrastructure? Because Telkom's own network management was so bloody shocking.
As to shutting up - what an apathetic approach to life! WE WILL NOT SHUT UP - may I remind you that all of us have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or does that not count when we are dealing Telkom?
We are not "weiners who have no idea about costs" as you put it. Some of us have a deep understanding of the SA Internet scene as we have been involved in BUILDING IT FROM DAY ONE you dope!
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Hi ASF
Thanks for responding appropriately to Rabbi.
The fact that one service is much better than another does not mean that we must simply be grateful for this service independent of comparative pricing and standards. This is especially true in the IT industry. New, cheaper technologies continually improving on current services, and ADSL is an example of a cheap broadband method. I am certain Rabbi will not be happy if he must pay international call rates for using an internet messaging service to speak to overseas friends. The technology makes it possibly to do this free of charge…it does not mean you must be happy to pay half the price because it is better than actually using a telephone.
Regards,
RPM
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Thanks for responding appropriately to Rabbi.
The fact that one service is much better than another does not mean that we must simply be grateful for this service independent of comparative pricing and standards. This is especially true in the IT industry. New, cheaper technologies continually improving on current services, and ADSL is an example of a cheap broadband method. I am certain Rabbi will not be happy if he must pay international call rates for using an internet messaging service to speak to overseas friends. The technology makes it possibly to do this free of charge…it does not mean you must be happy to pay half the price because it is better than actually using a telephone.
Regards,
RPM
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[}]No actually guys, Rabbi has a good point. Just imagine if we haven't had Telkom, we may have to had guys with sticks with messages on it running from city to city. What a friend we have in Telkom![]
For the first time ever somebody is standing up against a big corporation in this country because it is a monopoly. And I can't wait to see this wave grow and grow. Telkom is doing more damage than good to this country at the moment. And because of regulation it is not going to become better. Why do we need an ICASA to decide on a SNO? Why must a government body decide whether something will be feasable or not? Do we try to create more opportunities for money to exchange under the table? As far as I know some possible SNO bidders have quite a bit of infrastructure already. Optical fibres criss-crosses this country riding along railways lines and power lines. In the meantime unfair practises proliferate and leaves the possible SNO's helpless to defend themselves. Why is this starting to smell more and more like the arms deal?
Here is a strategy for you:
Microwave communication is important in this country and has the ability to carry strategic telecommunications due to its inherent protection against sabotage and robbery. It consists of towers that is equiped with microwave dishes which provides line of sight communication between them. In most cases these towers need to be build on high ground such as hills and mountains to increase their ability to look "over the horizon". There are not many hills available for such endeavours. Wouldn't it make sense to lease or acquire land for such towers at the moment and to build them, even if you do not equip them, so that any competition is prevented from having such an opportunity?
Would be interesting to know if anybody saw something like this happening?
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]No actually guys, Rabbi has a good point. Just imagine if we haven't had Telkom, we may have to had guys with sticks with messages on it running from city to city. What a friend we have in Telkom![]For the first time ever somebody is standing up against a big corporation in this country because it is a monopoly. And I can't wait to see this wave grow and grow. Telkom is doing more damage than good to this country at the moment. And because of regulation it is not going to become better. Why do we need an ICASA to decide on a SNO? Why must a government body decide whether something will be feasable or not? Do we try to create more opportunities for money to exchange under the table? As far as I know some possible SNO bidders have quite a bit of infrastructure already. Optical fibres criss-crosses this country riding along railways lines and power lines. In the meantime unfair practises proliferate and leaves the possible SNO's helpless to defend themselves. Why is this starting to smell more and more like the arms deal?
Here is a strategy for you:
Microwave communication is important in this country and has the ability to carry strategic telecommunications due to its inherent protection against sabotage and robbery. It consists of towers that is equiped with microwave dishes which provides line of sight communication between them. In most cases these towers need to be build on high ground such as hills and mountains to increase their ability to look "over the horizon". There are not many hills available for such endeavours. Wouldn't it make sense to lease or acquire land for such towers at the moment and to build them, even if you do not equip them, so that any competition is prevented from having such an opportunity?
Would be interesting to know if anybody saw something like this happening?
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by ASnogarD</i>
<br />I have witheld my opinion on Rabbi's statement as my immediate thoughts would of been unappropriate.
I personally get agitated when advised to not only accept scraps but told to be thankfull for them.
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Same here, I really had to bite my tongue not to have my say.
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<br />I have witheld my opinion on Rabbi's statement as my immediate thoughts would of been unappropriate.
I personally get agitated when advised to not only accept scraps but told to be thankfull for them.
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Same here, I really had to bite my tongue not to have my say.
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Thank you guys for your great response to TheRabbi.
I believe that as this is a free country his opinion must also be heard, even though it has no validity in our circumstances, because of the absurdity of it.
With guys like your Mr Rabbi Telkom needs no advertisements for their expensive and useless products.
I believe that as this is a free country his opinion must also be heard, even though it has no validity in our circumstances, because of the absurdity of it.
With guys like your Mr Rabbi Telkom needs no advertisements for their expensive and useless products.
Such anger You are a ungrateful bunch. Do you think your little temper tantrums hold any weight with Telkom?
My intent was to point out that there is no pressure for Telkom to provide or improve the ADSL service until there is competition in the country offering a similar or better service.
I'll be waiting for anybody who want's to get physical on the saix game server for "Wolfenstien - Enemy Territory" (196.4.79.45) at 16:30 (on my adsl line
PS. If it's still up and running.
You are a ungrateful bunch. Do you think your little temper tantrums hold any weight with Telkom?My intent was to point out that there is no pressure for Telkom to provide or improve the ADSL service until there is competition in the country offering a similar or better service.
I'll be waiting for anybody who want's to get physical on the saix game server for "Wolfenstien - Enemy Territory" (196.4.79.45) at 16:30 (on my adsl line
PS. If it's still up and running.