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Cash in transit robbery in Boksburg, motorists urged to be vigilant

Glock26

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#43
There was a backup vehicle...won't go into too much detail. But they are woefully outgunned.
The cash you see on the road is Mickey Mouse compared to what they get away with. And no....the old dye system doesn't work well anymore..they get around that too via a few methods. They can also "wash" the notes to a certain degree.
More than one CIT robbery daily now. Very planned, very high up people involved. Old 'liberation' AK's coming out of hiding at a crazy rate.
 

eg2505

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#44
The problem is not the cost of the APC it is the cost to keep one running which is significantly higher in maintenance and fuel than a normal vehicle. The cost of a more expensive vehicle will immediately filter down to your banking fees etc.

The Reserve Bank uses a freight liner but it has a armed escort that actively blocks lanes around it and a chase helicopter due to the amount of money it carries. Also a larger truck might not be feasible for the daily routes they have to travel. The reserve bank is depot to depot, this is depot to ATM to store to ATM to store... It might be a better idea to reduce the size of the vehicle and cash carried it than to go bigger.

Regarding the US vehicles, I suspect they might be easier top open than the South African ones due to the lower threat environment they operate in.
ok, then what about a motorbike to do the small sites?
or one of those trike things? can be narrow and fast, and the bigger vehicle for the larger amounts of cash.

I mean its an arms race, explosive bomb VS small toyota dyna converted truck.
no contest, if they got something faster, like a bike or a fast car, wouldn't it be able to get away from those guys with guns?

I mean get a AMG merc C-Class estate converted, put 2 turbos on it, flashing blue lights, bullbars, and drive like your possessed....
or even a chevy lumina SS with bullbars?

maybe the idea the CIT guys have isnt the right one? small little Van with a tiny bit of armour
maybe it might work for small little jobs, but for bigger ones, you need a frikkin tank surely?

just my 2C worth.
 

TheJman

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#45
There was a backup vehicle...won't go into too much detail. But they are woefully outgunned.
The cash you see on the road is Mickey Mouse compared to what they get away with. And no....the old dye system doesn't work well anymore..they get around that too via a few methods. They can also "wash" the notes to a certain degree.
More than one CIT robbery daily now. Very planned, very high up people involved. Old 'liberation' AK's coming out of hiding at a crazy rate.
yup, they do their homework, have inside people, know the routes, how many follow vehicles - simple maths from there...

Problem is these guys no there is no repercussion for this - they can do it and get away with it... time to get some form of what the US has with SWAT - high powered vehicles with military trained personal that will get there and will kill them
 

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#46
ok, then what about a motorbike to do the small sites?
or one of those trike things? can be narrow and fast, and the bigger vehicle for the larger amounts of cash.

I mean its an arms race, explosive bomb VS small toyota dyna converted truck.
no contest, if they got something faster, like a bike or a fast car, wouldn't it be able to get away from those guys with guns?

I mean get a AMG merc C-Class estate converted, put 2 turbos on it, flashing blue lights, bullbars, and drive like your possessed....
or even a chevy lumina SS with bullbars?

maybe the idea the CIT guys have isnt the right one? small little Van with a tiny bit of armour
maybe it might work for small little jobs, but for bigger ones, you need a frikkin tank surely?

just my 2C worth.
A spike strip will disable it in no time.
 

R13...

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#47
The risk management by the CIT company is also weak there. Why have the two trucks together like that?
 

SauRoNZA

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When I see this **** I think the move towards crypto can't come soon enough.

Take the cash out of the equation and all these problems go away.
 

R13...

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Others do the same, followed by their "escort" cars sometimes.
It's a stupid risk. Those escorts never have the numbers or weapons to match an ambush. Anyway these things can only be prevented by functioning crime and national intelligence. Those guys would have spent time planning this robbery. Questions were asked, info was solicited, they assembled the team, got weapons, gathered somewhere before, planned money laundering, planned escape routes, hideouts, etc. It's actually amazing that heavily armed criminals are able to regularly ride around without being spotted. Not that any patrol that stopped them would live but it'd make them abandon the plan


And normally the "soldiers" get paid upfront during recruitment while the career CIT guys take the score and launder it and they're usually career criminals.
 
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*SynergyX*

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definitely not random .. well planned in fact.

quiet intersection and enough explosives to blow 2 trucks as well as look outs placed on the corner.
some intelligence there at the very least
 

TheJman

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#53
Yup, 100% agreed - we don't have a functioning police force with a proper intelligence team - the scorpions (rest their soul) were probably our best hope - they were trained by the FBI.. but trained too well, so zuma buried them...

Our police force is basically the same as ADT, they're a reaction force as opposed to a proactive force

That's why you're seeing security companies changing their models to mirror a police force, and it's working to reduce crime, because they have intel teams and their officers dont sitting waiting for crime, but go around and question people and interact with the community
 

ForceFate

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It's a stupid risk. Those escorts never have the numbers or weapons to match an ambush. Anyway these things can only be prevented by functioning crime and national intelligence. Those guys would have spent time planning this robbery. Questions were asked, info was solicited, they assembled the team, got weapons, gathered somewhere before, planned money laundering, planned escape routes, hideouts, etc. It's actually amazing that heavily armed criminals are able to regularly ride around without being spotted. Not that any patrol that stopped them would live but it'd make them abandon the plan


And normally the "soldiers" get paid upfront during recruitment while the career CIT guys take the score and launder it and they're usually career criminals.
^^

I've seen police escorts before. Not that it makes any difference...
 
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