Catalans vote to split from Spain amid violent police crackdown

[f2wohf]

Antena 3 and Vanguardia.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171026/432357059383/hasta-el-ultimo-minuto.html

Apparently, the Spanish answer is that these conditions are not acceptable (mainly the ones asking them to flaw the judicial processes because it would compromise the judicial independence).

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Antena 3 and Vanguardia
http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20171026/432357059383/hasta-el-ultimo-minuto.html

Might just be Google Translate's failure, but that reads more like speculation / opinion than an account of a formal negotiation taking place / being proposed?

We'll have to wait and see then, if he ends up betraying the hordes that he helped whip into a frenzy I truly hope they turn on him in spectacular fashion :twisted:

 

[f2wohf]

Might just be Google Translate's failure, but that reads more like speculation / opinion than an account of a formal negotiation taking place / being proposed?

We'll have to wait and see then, if he ends up betraying the hordes that he helped whip into a frenzy I truly hope they turn on him in spectacular fashion :twisted:

It is, although they are usually accurate.

I guess this is negotiated in the background as an agreement to not prosecute would never be disclosed and would be most likely illegal and nothing short of scandalous (equality against the law...).

 

[thestaggy]

I think is was a ploy to get more autonomy btw Kosovo not recognised by the UN

They got a lot of support from the EU and greater European community, something the Catalans never will because its too sensitive for the EU and members.

 

[f2wohf]

Mossos were apparently stopped on their way to an incinerator with plenty of internal documents.

The police stopped them and requested a court order to inspect the documents.

Dodgy...

https://twitter.com/rebecacarranco/status/923489945993564160

 

[f2wohf]

The other option studied by Puigdemont would be to announce elections and stop the DUI today according to separatist sources speaking to El Pais.

Meanwhile the government keeps on the 155 trajectory. The minister of finance announced that once the local government replaced, the management of Catalonia would be only taking care of administrative minimum duties until new elections occur.

 

[f2wohf]

Puigdemont will make a press conference at 1:30.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Puigdemont will make a press conference at 1:30.

Media just can't seem to get their act together, some say it is 13:30 Spain local time, others say CET.

Assuming CET is correct seeing as it is almost 14:00 Spain time now :erm:

 

[f2wohf]

Media just can't seem to get their act together, some say it is 13:30 Spain local time, others say CET.

Assuming CET is correct seeing as it is almost 14:00 Spain time now :erm:

It was planned for 1:30 Spanish time, delayed to 2:30.

 

[f2wohf]

He has now cancelled the press conference.

Bunch of clowns, sounds like Dlamini going to Parliament.

 

[f2wohf]

Elections call by Puigdemont for December 20th are apparently imminent.

http://www.lavanguardia.com/politic...demont-elecciones-articulo-155-catalunya.html

 

[f2wohf]

He will now speak at 5pm.

Apparently 4 MPs at the Catalan Parliament from Puigdemont’s party have resigned.

 

[f2wohf]

No elections as he says that the guarantees (whatever it is) are not sufficient.

 

[rietrot]

No elections as he says that the guarantees (whatever it is) are not sufficient.

Just more back and forth BSing. Didn't the Spanish gov already use article 155 to dissolve the catalonia government.
Someone somewhere should grow some balls.

 

[f2wohf]

Just more back and forth BSing. Didn't the Spanish gov already use article 155 to dissolve the catalonia government.
Someone somewhere should grow some balls.

There is a legal period of waiting before the 155 can be effectively applied.

That period ends on Saturday.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Someone somewhere should grow some balls.

That's exactly it, much as I loathe any politician I've been granting Puigdemont some leeway to bring about a declaration of independence at long last. If he lacks the balls to follow through on it all, may he be lynched in the most painful fashion imaginable.

Time to shyt or get off the pot you pu$$y!

 

[C4Cat]

That's exactly it, much as I loathe any politician I've been granting Puigdemont some leeway to bring about a declaration of independence at long last. If he lacks the balls to follow through on it all, may he be lynched in the most painful fashion imaginable.

Time to shyt or get off the pot you pu$$y!

 

[Swa]

Why would the constitution plan autonomic communities then ? It’s just that there was a timeframe allowed to negotiate the autonomic pacts as per the transition laws.

So it was or it wasn't foreseen? You're flip flopping between the two.

It’s not a matter of lawyer’s agreement, why do you think the separatists didn’t challenge the matter in court ? It’s clear cut in this case and has been upheld by the Constitutional Court.

Who isn't independent in this case.

Read my other posts, Catalonia has more debt than the other Spanish communities and not much more taxes (such excess taxes go to the local, not national government).

Your claim. Yet their contribution to the burden that's Spain is growing and they get peanuts back for it.

We’re still expecting your backlash, they must be preparing it very hard since almost a month.

You're continuing ignoring reality or it's just not sunk in yet even with everybody pointing it out for you. The people who boycotted the referendum didn't do so out of protest against separatists. They boycotted it because they wanted a legal referendum which Spain is refusing. There were people on both sides who boycotted it and not just people saying 'no' as you continue to claim. Spain has already gotten flack for using violence and intimidation against peaceful citizens. It will only get worse when they start using hard measures instead of giving Catalonians what they want.

That's exactly it, much as I loathe any politician I've been granting Puigdemont some leeway to bring about a declaration of independence at long last. If he lacks the balls to follow through on it all, may he be lynched in the most painful fashion imaginable.

Time to shyt or get off the pot you pu$$y!

This. Either stand by the people or betray them.

 

[f2wohf]

So it was or it wasn't foreseen? You're flip flopping between the two.


Who isn't independent in this case.


Your claim. Yet their contribution to the burden that's Spain is growing and they get peanuts back for it.


You're continuing ignoring reality or it's just not sunk in yet even with everybody pointing it out for you. The people who boycotted the referendum didn't do so out of protest against separatists. They boycotted it because they wanted a legal referendum which Spain is refusing. There were people on both sides who boycotted it and not just people saying 'no' as you continue to claim. Spain has already gotten flack for using violence and intimidation against peaceful citizens. It will only get worse when they start using hard measures instead of giving Catalonians what they want.


This. Either stand by the people or betray them.

Please show me where I tip toe ? Autonomic pacts were foreseen and planned by the constitution. The revision of 2006 wasn’t but is still compliant with the constitution and 155. For example the statute of autonomy of Castille La Mancha is not approved yet and still in Parliament, it’s region by region.

Actually I didn’t know it but the separatist parties challenged the application of 155 and lost. The courts are independent (which is why Puigdemont’s “guarantees” were impossible to grant).

What contributions ? Catalonia is the province with the most public spending per capita (and local taxes were raised by Puigdemont’s party) as shown earlier. They actually have a deficit of 3 billion euros that the central government will have to cover. Madrid brings more than double what Catalonia brings, even though its global GDP and population is lower (19 vs 7 billion) and Catalonia brings barely more than Andalucia who is way poorer...

I see that the Catalan propaganda had its effects !

https://m.asivaespana.com/politica/...na-y-madrid-a-espana-y-lo-que-reciben-despues
http://m.eldiario.es/politica/Madrid-deficit-fiscal-millones-Cataluna_0_284521745.html

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Source: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2017/10/27/catalan-separatists-file-independence-bid.html

Catalonia's ruling coalition has confirmed a motion has been filed to the region's parliament to declare independence.

The motion, filed by Catalonia's ruling coaltion, calls for the constitution of a 'Catalan republic as an independent sovereign, democratic and social state.'

Catalonia's parliament says its plenary session has been delayed amid discussions on how the ruling coalition's independence motion will be presented.

Ruling coalition Junts pel Si (Together for Yes) and CUP (Popular Unity Candidacy) have a slim majority that would in theory allow them to pass their motion to declare independence.