Catalans vote to split from Spain amid violent police crackdown

[f2wohf]

of course! lol!

nothing to see here move along, everything is ok, go back to your homes please.

I like the way the separatist branding makes it way back in, in an attempt to alienate a group of people. just like some other incident still ongoing...

4 people treated, 2 in hospital, according to the Catalan Department of Health.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/hechos/1506963876_226068.html

 

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4 people treated, 2 in hospital, according to the Catalan Department of Health.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/hechos/1506963876_226068.html

strange that you choose to believe those numbers, when other numbers are thrown around on that same site. even on reuters.

while in the meantime, you can count more people by watching the videos of people being hit with a baton by police. maybe those batons are made of sponge you think?

do you also think that the entire catalan government is pro leave or are there some that do not want to and say what makes their cause look better. these are governments and politicians we are discussing here.

looking by my own eyes I can see many more than 4 people injured.. lol LOL! wow man.

 

[f2wohf]

strange that you choose to believe those numbers, when other numbers are thrown around on that same site. even on reuters.

while in the meantime, you can count more people by watching the videos of people being hit with a baton by police. maybe those batons are made of sponge you think?

do you also think that the entire catalan government is pro leave or are there some that do not want to and say what makes their cause look better. these are governments and politicians we are discussing here.

looking by my own eyes I can see many more than 4 people injured.. lol LOL! wow man.

800 people seen by doctors. Read the article I posted, read the statements.

4 required treatment and 2 were admitted in hospital, it’s hardly a massacre as the Catalan government wants to make it look like.

The anti riot policemen are trained to hurt without injuring people, hence the result.

 

[f2wohf]

Here also, plenty of images around are not from the referendum but from other events.

http://www.elmundo.es/f5/comparte/2017/10/02/59d20455268e3e96278b45de.html

 

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Why not? Surely if they're that confident the majority of Catalans don't want to leave that would be the easiest way to prove it?

That's what I don't get either. Let them have a legal referendum like scotland had, if you are so sure of the outcome then there should be no issues.

 

[f2wohf]

That's what I don't get either. Let them have a legal referendum like scotland had, if you are so sure of the outcome then there should be no issues.

Because the government wanted to avoid a potential
Brexit repeat (the vote not being what was expected).

 

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Because the government wanted to avoid a potential
Brexit repeat (the vote not being what was expected).

So they are only interested in a single outcome and if they can't be assured of that then there will be no vote for the catalans as the gov does not want them to leave?

 

[f2wohf]

So they are only interested in a single outcome and if they can't be assured of that then there will be no vote for the catalans as the gov does not want them to leave?

Wasn’t it pretty much the same with Scotland ?

 

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800 people seen by doctors. Read the article I posted, read the statements.

4 required treatment and 2 were admitted in hospital, it’s hardly a massacre as the Catalan government wants to make it look like.

The anti riot policemen are trained to hurt without injuring people, hence the result.

:crylaugh:

 

[ponder]

Wasn’t it pretty much the same with Scotland ?

There wasn't a overwhelming 'no' result, 5% is pretty close.

 

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The anti riot policemen are trained to hurt without injuring people, hence the result.

They're the fashion police? :wtf:

 

[C4Cat]

So they are only interested in a single outcome and if they can't be assured of that then there will be no vote for the catalans as the gov does not want them to leave?

It's not in Spain's interest for them to split

 

[f2wohf]

They're the fashion police? :wtf:

They just know how to restrain and hit while causing minimal injuries. It’s actually why anti riot units are special units and what they train for all year long.

 

[ShaunSA]

Because the government wanted to avoid a potential
Brexit repeat (the vote not being what was expected).

So we should only allow people to vote if we get the result we want?

 

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They just know how to restrain and hit while causing minimal injuries. It’s actually why anti riot units are special units and what they train for all year long.

:crylaugh:

 

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They just know how to restrain and hit while causing minimal injuries. It’s actually why anti riot units are special units and what they train for all year long.

:wtf: so being injured enough to receive treatment from a damn doctor is what you call "minimal"?!? It only registers once you have been messed up enough to need hospital treatment?

We have wildly varying ideas of what constitutes minimal injuries if that is the case, wow

 

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Source: Catalonia’s parliament to defy Spanish courts over independence vote

No surprise there, bring on Monday for more gestapo action on youtube

 

[f2wohf]

So we should only allow people to vote if we get the result we want?

Please read the full story before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence

You can’t exactly say that the Spanish government has let down the Catalan aspirations with the statute of autonomy.

 

[C4Cat]

Source: Catalonia’s parliament to defy Spanish courts over independence vote

No surprise there, bring on Monday for more gestapo action on youtube

"Opinion polls conducted before the vote suggest a minority of around 40 percent of residents in Catalonia back independence"

 

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Please read the full story before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence
You can’t exactly say that the Spanish government has let down the Catalan aspirations with the statute of autonomy.

Yes you can, they didn't like the legal result in 2014 and declared it illegal and pursued court action against the leaders who sanctioned it. Running up to 2014 from 2009 almost every single poll, survey and vote has favoured independence. 2017 is just another confirmation of a majority sentiment they already know exists, hence why this one is labelled illegal and why police were sent to use violence.

Try and focus on the past decade instead of all time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014