Ceil Inverter 850VA (600W) PURE SINE WAVE (Mecer Alternative) Lead Acid Only

Steamy Tom said:
many are still waiting for feedback on the issues with their inverter and the constant charging
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Latest update I have is that both Hubble and Ceil inverters different from one another and the results varies. The Ceil seems to be very sensitive between units and when the light flashes and stop flashing. The Hubbles also seem to have different voltage reading between batteries. So when you use another battery it has a different result. Same goes for the Ceil.

When the Ceil was tested and showing constant charging it was drawing about 15-16W (in comparison the Mecer 1200VA is drawing around 10W when not charging). Same with another battery but this time the voltages where spiking.
But then again testing it on another Ceil inverter it stopped charging, but then switching to another battery a different result.

So it seems (just taking a guess) like it has stopped charging, but the inverter does not communicate it properly. I don't know.

I am probably not making a lot of sense as the results are so inconsistent it is difficult to keep track!

My conclusion is that the Ceil and Hubble is not a great combo if you are concerned about the constant charging and drawing 15W (results may vary) while the charge light is flashing.

The hubbles works really well with the Mecer 1200VA/2400VA inverters and charging curves and voltages looks great. There are some differences in voltages between batteries, but nothing I am concerned about, yet, not sure about the long run. Obviously the Mecer also has some interesting charging results which you can find in the Mever Community thread, and it is recommended to keep it on 10A charging.

I am now looking at another inverter, a bit more expensive, and a bit noisier, but will keep y'all posted:

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RedViking said:
Latest update I have is that both Hubble and Ceil inverters different from one another and the results varies. The Ceil seems to be very sensitive between units and when the light flashes and stop flashing. The Hubbles also seem to have different voltage reading between batteries. So when you use another battery it has a different result. Same goes for the Ceil.

When the Ceil was tested and showing constant charging it was drawing about 15-16W (in comparison the Mecer 1200VA is drawing around 10W when not charging). Same with another battery but this time the voltages where spiking.
But then again testing it on another Ceil inverter it stopped charging, but then switching to another battery a different result.

So it seems (just taking a guess) like it has stopped charging, but the inverter does not communicate it properly. I don't know.

I am probably not making a lot of sense as the results are so inconsistent it is difficult to keep track!

My conclusion is that the Ceil and Hubble is not a great combo if you are concerned about the constant charging and drawing 15W while the charge light is flashing.

The hubbles works really well with the Mecer 1200VA/2400VA inverters and charging curves and voltages looks great. There are some differences in voltages between batteries, but nothing I am concerned about, yet, not sure about the long run. Obviously the Mecer also has some interesting charging results which you can find in the Mever Community thread, and it is recommended to keep it on 10A charging.

I am now looking at another inverter, a bit more expensive, and a bit noisier, but will keep y'all posted:

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Hmmm, how much noisier are we talking ?

● Charging current is setable according to your battery type
What about voltage.

I look forward to the new thread.
 
RedViking said:
Latest update I have is that both Hubble and Ceil inverters different from one another and the results varies. The Ceil seems to be very sensitive between units and when the light flashes and stop flashing. The Hubbles also seem to have different voltage reading between batteries. So when you use another battery it has a different result. Same goes for the Ceil.

When the Ceil was tested and showing constant charging it was drawing about 15-16W (in comparison the Mecer 1200VA is drawing around 10W when not charging). Same with another battery but this time the voltages where spiking.
But then again testing it on another Ceil inverter it stopped charging, but then switching to another battery a different result.

So it seems (just taking a guess) like it has stopped charging, but the inverter does not communicate it properly. I don't know.

I am probably not making a lot of sense as the results are so inconsistent it is difficult to keep track!

My conclusion is that the Ceil and Hubble is not a great combo if you are concerned about the constant charging and drawing 15W while the charge light is flashing.

The hubbles works really well with the Mecer 1200VA/2400VA inverters and charging curves and voltages looks great. There are some differences in voltages between batteries, but nothing I am concerned about, yet, not sure about the long run. Obviously the Mecer also has some interesting charging results which you can find in the Mever Community thread, and it is recommended to keep it on 10A charging.

I am now looking at another inverter, a bit more expensive, and a bit noisier, but will keep y'all posted:

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Interesting the comment about using ~15W, I was quoted a much higher figure from Gewizz, where did you get this value? from your own testing?
 
Steamy Tom said:
Interesting the comment about using ~15W, I was quoted a much higher figure from Gewizz, where did you get this value? from your own testing?
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No not my own testing, relying on the users who have the inverter and being in contact with Geewiz and discussions. It is possible the test results vary. As I said results seem to me very inconsistent.
 
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RedViking said:
I am now looking at another inverter, a bit more expensive, and a bit noisier, but will keep y'all posted:

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Just curious as to why you wouldn't go with the Mecer? Do you specifically need PSW for this application?
 
RedViking said:
I am now looking at another inverter, a bit more expensive, and a bit noisier, but will keep y'all posted:

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This is most likely a rather stupid question, but help a non-technical person out here please. From what I've seen inverters are setup to be 12V or 24v or 48v, right? The Mecers for example are either 12v or 24v.

This Axpert one doesn't seem to specify, and in fact they indicate specifications for different voltages. Does that mean this one you can configure for different voltage batteries and if so, is that common for inverters?
 
GrootBaas said:
This is most likely a rather stupid question, but help a non-technical person out here please. From what I've seen inverters are setup to be 12V or 24v or 48v, right? The Mecers for example are either 12v or 24v.

This Axpert one doesn't seem to specify, and in fact they indicate specifications for different voltages. Does that mean this one you can configure for different voltage batteries and if so, is that common for inverters?
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it specifies 12V battery input on this model, they specify different battery voltages for different models.
 
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I am thankful to GeeWiz for refunding my inverter. I am now trying to decide between the Mecer 1200VA or the GeeWiz Axpert 1000VA. I don't specifically need pure sine wave for my application, so probably noise level is more of a deal breaker. The built in MPPT is nice on the Axpert though. The price is not a real differentiator.

@RedViking Have you tried out the Axpert inverter yet? Do you have any recommendations on either of those?

Happy to use your affiliate link for the purchase as this thread has helped me a lot, thanks!
 
nicja said:
I am thankful to GeeWiz for refunding my inverter. I am now trying to decide between the Mecer 1200VA or the GeeWiz Axpert 1000VA. I don't specifically need pure sine wave for my application, so probably noise level is more of a deal breaker. The built in MPPT is nice on the Axpert though. The price is not a real differentiator.

@RedViking Have you tried out the Axpert inverter yet? Do you have any recommendations on either of those?

Happy to use your affiliate link for the purchase as this thread has helped me a lot, thanks!
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Yes! So far my employee is super happy with the 1KV Axpert Type (it is not an Axpert) Inverter. Fairly quiet compared to the Mecer. (think I need to go test in person first) I hope to do a video soon. Make sure to ask Geewiz to connect the plugs and adapter as well.

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The had to swap out his Hubble battery as it gave issues. So if you do have issues with a Hubble + the Axpert Type, could be the battery.

I recommend getting a trolley as well. Or you can fix to wall or your own container.
 
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RedViking said:
Yes! So far my employee is super happy with the 1KV Axpert Type (it is not an Axpert) Inverter. Fairly quiet compared to the Mecer. I hope to do a video soon. Make sure to ask Geewiz to connect the plugs and adapter as well.

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The had to swap out his Hubble battery as it gave issues. So if you do have issues with a Hubble + the Axpert Type, could be the battery.
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Some follow up questions as I am still looking for an inverter for myself:

1. Is this the type of inverter you need to mount on the wall? Like, it can't just be sitting on the battery enclosure?
2. So it's definitely quieter than the Mercer? But obvs not as quiet as the CEIL (which I don't consider to be an option any longer)
3. I see it does 20A charging... I'm guessing that's another thing it does better than the Mercer (can charge lithiums at 20A without dying). Is that correct?
 
Dylan_G said:
Some follow up questions as I am still looking for an inverter for myself:

1. Is this the type of inverter you need to mount on the wall? Like, it can't just be sitting on the battery enclosure?
2. So it's definitely quieter than the Mercer? But obvs not as quiet as the CEIL (which I don't consider to be an option any longer)
3. I see it does 20A charging... I'm guessing that's another thing it does better than the Mercer (can charge lithiums at 20A without dying). Is that correct?
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I can't answer all your questions as we just got it. So far no issues. I will need to go test it in person to tell you if it is much quieter. Hope to do next month. Doesn't need to be mounted to wall. Can be flat as well.
 
RedViking said:
As far as I understand Axpert is a brand manufacturing inverters. Probably another manufacturer m
/ factory who copied them. Correct me if I am wrong.

China does that.
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Axpert inverters are a range of voltronic inverters that are rebranded by multiple companies, RCT, Kodak, mecer, must and it goes on and on.

This very much looks like a voltronic axpert, are we saying it's actually a clone?
 
Steamy Tom said:
Axpert inverters are a range of voltronic inverters that are rebranded by multiple companies, RCT, Kodak, mecer, must and it goes on and on.

This very much looks like a voltronic axpert, are we saying it's actually a clone?
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I don't know man. As long as it works.
 
Dylan_G said:
2. So it's definitely quieter than the Mercer? But obvs not as quiet as the CEIL (which I don't consider to be an option any longer)
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See my first impression here:

RedViking said:
My First Impression while waiting to do more tests:

The weekend I would like to run the batteries till low battery warning and the charge up again to see what happens. My one battery always give slightly lower readings than my other battery. Apparently, a common thing with the Hubble Batteries.

Just had first loadshedding slot of 2 hours;

Noise. Fan is "louder" than the Mecer, but different. Definitely audible and loud. It has two fans at the bottom from what I can see. The Mecer only had one. The Mecer had a loud buzz sound. This only has fan noise, no buzz. The fan seems to come on periodically while charging and when on battery mode, and maybe even now and then after it has been charged. Everyone has their own opinion on this, I think it is too loud to use right next to your TV or bedroom.

Smell: It has a strong electronic, slightly burning smell, when on battery. Another user who has the 1KVA unit said the same. So I am not sure how safe it is to leave in an enclosed room. Mine is in the garage.

Wattage Display reading: The readings from my Kill-a-Watt meter is 20-50W higher than the Inverter Display. On my 3KVA unit when the W is lower than a 100W the inverter shows "0", the Kill-A-Watt will show 50-90W. When it goes over a 100W the inverter will show the wattage.

Voltage Display Reading: This seems to be similar to what the Bluetooth Load balancer shows. The only difference is the Load balancer shows each battery separate while the Inverter shows them combined. e.g. 13.3V / 13.3V vs 26.6V.

Beep: It made a loud beep when it switched over or pressed buttons. This can be switched off in the settings. Thank Goodness.

Charging: The 3kva Unit only has 20A-50A charging. The 1kva Unit has 10A charging.
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