Cele lashes out at Action Society

[rietrot]

No, within the SA Railways its not a "Tribal Leader"...

It would be the equivalent of a Senior Team Lead/ Department Head from what I can gather, so he would have had the vast majority of a yard/compound reporting to him.

Those are separate things.

Work for SA railways and/or held a tribal position.

in·duna

NOUN

SOUTH AFRICAN

a tribal councillor or headman.

an African foreman.

 

[grok]

This Ian Cameron guy for president!!

Passionate man will have Eskom sorted in a tick & restore South Africa to what it once was - an African Jewel.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Those are separate things.

Work for SA railways and/or held a tribal position.

in·duna

NOUN

SOUTH AFRICAN

a tribal councillor or headman.

an African foreman.

*pats on the head* Its ok dude, we know you struggle with reality at times.

This was back in the racist bad old days, SA Railways would have used titles like Induna for the black staff who were employed.

 

[neoprema]

He won’t be kicked out. Because he was never put there for his skill, or reputation. He was put there through bribes and to “handle” things for cadres.

Also the ANC has so much faction fighting now that anyone who raises it would just get taken down by an opposing internal faction.

It’s like a ship with 3 engines driving propellers all facing other directions. There’s only one way it can go…

 

[Neptuner]

Cameron was like: hey man get your shyt together.

Cele was like:

 

[Moosedrool]

This Ian Cameron guy for president!!

Passionate man will have Eskom sorted in a tick & restore South Africa to what it once was - an African Jewel.

He doesn't have struggle credentials.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Absolutely zero condescension in that bit from Ian Cameron.

Well done Mr Cameron, we need more people like you to stand up and call out this crap for what it is. No violence, no swearing, just straight up reality.

it's always the case with these "revolutionaries". When it comes to criticism they quickly deflect.
Cele totally cracked and broke down and knew he was actually incompetent.

 

[Neptuner]

I suspect Cele was drunk.

 

[rietrot]

*pats on the head* Its ok dude, we know you struggle with reality at times.

This was back in the racist bad old days, SA Railways would have used titles like Induna for the black staff who were employed.

Wtf is your problem. You seemed unsure about a term and I helped you out.

No need to get all stupid and start trolling.

 

[HunterNW]

*pats on the head* Its ok dude, we know you struggle with reality at times.

This was back in the racist bad old days, SA Railways would have used titles like Induna for the black staff who were employed.

All the years my Uncle farmed he had an Induna. Would be his main oke on the farm. Never heard about an Induna title outside of the farming community.

 

[Neptuner]

He doesn't have struggle credentials.

He said he ate bad food, thats the struggle. Send me to Robben Island on a ferry all paid for...

 

[konfab]

Cele didn't join the "struggle"to help people. He joined it to loot.

I knew of Terry Ranger and had seen him about but had not met him in person. It was with some wariness then that I awaited the verdict of this great historian on my highly critical (as I viewed it) but underdeveloped analysis of the ANC in power.

Anyway, he prefaced his comments with the story of Field Marshal Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher, the commander of the Prussian forces at the Battle of Waterloo. After the war had ended, Von Blücher had been invited to Britain to be thanked for the crucial role that he and his troops had played in the defeat of Napoleon. On viewing London, in all its imperial grandeur, Von Blücher is said to have exclaimed: “What a city to loot!”

Ranger then added that the ANC must have had the very same feeling on ascending to power in South Africa in 1994, given the wealth of the country, by far the richest and most developed in Africa, that had just fallen into its hands.

...

The ANC’s entry into power then was always going to be the moment at which, for the liberation movement elect, the account for these long-promised and long-delayed rewards started falling due. Though its socialist commitments were relatively easily abandoned, the movement remained committed to the implementation of the National Democratic Revolution. Through the negotiations it had many of the country’s finest lawyers – many of whom would later end up on the Constitutional Court – involved in ensuring that none of the concessions it made in the negotiations would place any kind of real obstacle in the path of ultimately realising these objectives.

This expectation of present rewards for past sacrifices would be a driving motive force within the liberation movement from the start. The role of responsible ANC leadership was to realise this where possible, and restrain it where necessary, but it was not a force that could be arrested. As Machiavelli wrote in The Prince, the free distribution of loot is “very necessary to a prince who marches with his armies, and lives by plunder, sack and ransom, and is dealing with the wealth of others, for without it he would not be followed by his soldiers.” It goes without saying that any Prince who reneged on such promises following victory would likely soon find himself not just without an army but missing his head as well.

The liberal constraints on the ANC’s programme – such as the merit system in the appointment and promotion of civil servants, administered by an independent Public Service Commission – were regarded with undisguised frustration across the liberation movement, and were abolished as soon as it was possible to do so. A socialist system and ethos may have placed its own kind of restraints on this impulse, even if it accelerated it in other ways, but these too had now been dropped.

https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/what-a-country-to-loot

 

[ToxicBunny]

Wtf is your problem. You seemed unsure about a term and I helped you out.

No need to get all stupid and start trolling.

I did a bit more research after the post and find out roughly what it meant within SA Railways...

I know what the terms means outside of the employment sector...

 

[Maurice Kitching]

Can you sue your garden boy?

 

[PrimeSteak]

And yet the community did **** all except clap and cheer.

Some, yes but not everyone.

 

[TelkomUseless]

He won’t be kicked out. Because he was never put there for his skill, or reputation. He was put there through bribes and to “handle” things for cadres.

Also the ANC has so much faction fighting now that anyone who raises it would just get taken down by an opposing internal faction.

It’s like a ship with 3 engines driving propellers all facing other directions. There’s only one way it can go…

I don't think anybody expect something to happen to Cele. Sarel got his back... and he Twat showed that white boy a thing or 2. How dare a white devil talk facts to Twat's face. He is getting a pet on the head and increase from Sarel...

Edit: I do hope people realise that all of SA needs to get rid of ANC. But I won't hold my breath. This guy was pointing out facts , calling Twat out on his incompetence.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Figured I'd go have a squizz at Bheki's upbringing.

So his father was never a "garden boy", he worked at SA Railways and ended up as a Senior Induna (whatever that means), and unfortunately his mother died when he was 9 months old.

So on top of loosing his cool and coming across as unhinged, he lied to the public (again)

It seems it's common for the ANC higher-ups to embellish or straight-up lie about their struggle credentials (notice how they use them either as exonerations from criticism or to move up in the party).

I started reading Gangster State, Magashule has done the same. Niehaus most likely as well...

They're great at lying...

 

[ToxicBunny]

It seems it's common for the ANC higher-ups to embellish or straight-up lie about their struggle credentials (notice how they use them either as exonerations from criticism or to move up in the party).

I started reading Gangster State, Magashule has done the same. Niehaus most likely as well...

They're great at lying...

We know Carl did.. he's been caught lying numerous times...

 

[RudderVator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544572041722040322

For what triggered Bheki Cele.
@OP

Of course, ENCA won't show this.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't think anybody expect something to happen to Cele. Sarel got his back... and he Twat showed that white boy a thing or 2. How dare a white devil talk facts to Twat's face. He is getting a pet on the head and increase from Sarel...

Edit: I do hope people realise that all of SA needs to get rid of ANC. But I won't hold my breath. This guy was pointing out facts , calling Twat out on his incompetence.

I don't really expect anything to happen to Cele, and that in and of itself is a further black mark.

The DA should not let that go in Parliament, ethics committee etc etc should be forced to act.