Cell C posts R7.5-billion net loss after tax

Jamie McKane

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Cell C posts R7.5-billion net loss after tax

Cell C has published its interim results for the six months ended June 2020, reflecting a R7.5-billion net loss after tax.

The company said this loss was mainly as a result of once-off costs and adjustments, and also reflects impairments to the value of R5 billion.
 

mr_norris

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It amazes me how they justify the sort of losses because of things that came up. They really are trying to put lipstick on a pig with those results. Makes you wonder where the hell investors would draw the line.
 

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They lasted longer than most (including myself) thought. The fact still stands; SA's earning pool is too small to sustain 4 networks.
 

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Their Annual totally unexpected once-off costs and impairments.
 

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They lasted longer than most (including myself) thought. The fact still stands; SA's earning pool is too small to sustain 4 networks.
No, it's not. The government and their pet regulator allowed the duopoly to become too entrenched and even when they licensed Cell C they still allowed the incumbents to carry on with those huge termination costs which crippled the entrant while profiting their huge user bases. Cell C should have been exempted from those for a period.
 

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Always amazed how much companies can lose for so long, makes me wonder how big the kitty was to start with.
 

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No, it's not. The government and their pet regulator allowed the duopoly to become too entrenched and even when they licensed Cell C they still allowed the incumbents to carry on with those huge termination costs which crippled the entrant while profiting their huge user bases. Cell C should have been exempted from those for a period.
The original reasons don't matter, it will not change.

SA's earning pool is too small to sustain 4 networks.
 

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The original reasons don't matter, it will not change.

SA's earning pool is too small to sustain 4 networks.
Zambia at at about a third of our population and a smaller economy are fine with 4 networks. It isn't the pool that's the problem, it's how they started the industry that's the problem.

Lesotho have 2 million people and two networks. I could go on but I think it's obvious where this is going.
 

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Zambia at at about a third of our population and a smaller economy are fine with 4 networks. It isn't the pool that's the problem, it's how they started the industry that's the problem.

Lesotho have 2 million people and two networks. I could go on but I think it's obvious where this is going.
This will not change. The industry is how it is.

The same result you are saying, SA inc is not structured to accommodate 4 Networks, if so, I agree.
 

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The original reasons don't matter, it will not change.

SA's earning pool is too small to sustain 4 networks.
It definitely is big enough to sustain 4 networks.

The issue with CellC was bad management (CellC), lack of good spectrum (government) and the termination rate fiasco (government).
The lack of good spectrum means that one has to roll out more towers to serve the same number of people, so higher costs, the termination rate also resulted in higher costs, and then roaming was quite expensive (not sure in regards to anymore since Telkom seems to be doing well with it).
In regards to bad management, they are (or were, they might have renegotiatied by now, I didn't keep up with the news) paying a premium on that debt, which escalated the debt problem, causing more liquidity issues, which means they can't invest as much in their network/staff, so worse network performance, and it spirals.

If they had not messed up on how they handled their debt, they would probably be profitable right now.

There's definitely space for 4 players, Rain/iBurst is a good example btw, though they're being bought by Vodacom now. South Africa has a huge geographic area and quite a large population, just have to do something like government's WOAN for all rural at cost price (would probably be better to do something like have MTN and Vodacom combined for it, assign them more spectrum, pay to run it, but now there's no money for that with how government handles everything and the corruption ongoing), and have cities be competition.
 

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So Zero Taxes , no idea why they even mention "after tax".

If you are operating at a net loss then you would effectively end up at zero tax and the way these companies position their tax compliance they eventually end up taking from the tax pool when they run year after year at a overall loss.

This should read, "Cell c posts R7.5 billion net loss after tax rebates"
 

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Is it safe to conclude that Cell C is still more successful than SAA?
 
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