MagicDude4Eva

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Ispa will only raise an issue if it's members raise an issue. Both Neotel and Vodacom are ISPA members, so it is a bit of a catch-22 to have a "wait-and-see-approach" - #TheHandThatFeedsYou :whistling:
 

deweyzeph

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I always hate it when companies kick up a fuss over deals like this. Cell C should rather concentrate on building the best business it can with innovative products and excellent customer service without worrying about what the competition are doing. Customers vote with their feet especially in today's market where prepaid is king and you are only a number port away from switching providers. Build great products and offer excellent service and the customers will flock to you.
 

entrepr

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Ispa will only raise an issue if it's members raise an issue. Both Neotel and Vodacom are ISPA members, so it is a bit of a catch-22 to have a "wait-and-see-approach" - #TheHandThatFeedsYou :whistling:

I just looked at the ISPA list of members and don't see Vodacom there.

I think Neotel is a member of ISPA and Vodacom might be a customer at JINX.

Anyway, the fact that shareholders are talking doesn't always make the staff hyper-excited about such a deal, or ready to throw their weight around at places like ISPA

Also, ISPA doesn't have a history of bowing and scraping to the big boys
 

grim

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Cell C needs to crawl back into their hole and f-off.

This deal will only be good for the consumer in the end.
 

Chevron

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Cell C needs to crawl back into their hole and f-off.

This deal will only be good for the consumer in the end.

I always hate it when companies kick up a fuss over deals like this. Cell C should rather concentrate on building the best business it can with innovative products and excellent customer service without worrying about what the competition are doing. Customers vote with their feet especially in today's market where prepaid is king and you are only a number port away from switching providers. Build great products and offer excellent service and the customers will flock to you.

So the largest cellular player, partners with the second largest fixed line player and you think this will be good for the consumer?

Rofl.

Squashing cometition has always been good for the consumer. :erm:

Cell C are doing the right thing.
 

Gulio

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Neotel alone are just useless.
Vodacom can turn them around quickly and make something out of it.
Finally Telkom has real competition, all cell c is doing is wasting everyone's time.

This deal is needed for connectivity to the end consumer. Telkom has abused the monopoly for too long. If anyone can turn Neotel around its Vodacom.
 

Vrotappel

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SA don't need a bigger and stronger VC. Just looked at how they ruined our cellphone market. We have amongst the highest prices in the world.
 

Paul Hjul

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Vodacom needs to recognize the poisoned well that this industry has managed to find itself in and sort it out.

This very issue is why Vodacom committed a serious error of judgment by joining MTN in suit on CTRs. There was - and remains - solutions to the CTR issue that can guarantee Vodacom clear passage with building their FTTx and LTE business operations.
 

grim

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So the largest cellular player, partners with the second largest fixed line player and you think this will be good for the consumer?

Rofl.

Squashing cometition has always been good for the consumer. :erm:

Cell C are doing the right thing.

What competition?

Cell C isn't competition for Vodacom, their network is crap and this has been proven a few times before.

Currently sitting in the Free State on Vodaocm, 3G Wi-Fi router giving speeds of 7.3Mbps/2Mbps, Phone doing 8.23Mbps/2.3Mbps, at home it goes up to 20Mbps/15Mbps. Telkom can't even provide those speeds to most of their ADSL users.

The only way anyone in this country is going to be able to effectively compete with Telkom, who are the real problem here, is to form a large corporate with very deep pockets and the right licenses which a sale of Neotel to Vodacom will achieve.
 

grim

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SA don't need a bigger and stronger VC. Just looked at how they ruined our cellphone market. We have amongst the highest prices in the world.

Source?

Saudi: R1.60/m pre-paid, R5.50/MB data
Belgium: R3.80/m pre-paid, R1.70/sms, R7.10/Mb

Yeah VC is very expensive...
 

Syphonx

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Nonsense, Neotel and Vodacom aren't in competition with one another, at least not in any meaningful way. I don't see how this will be detrimental to the consumer, in fact I think it will be beneficial, Vodacom can finally put Neotel's infrastructure to proper use.
 

j4ck455

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SA don't need a bigger and stronger VC.

The way that MTN has behaved recently and to a lesser extent Vodacom in the ongoing MTR battle should be a wakeup call that both MTN and Vodacom are far too dominant and need to be taken down quite a few notches.

Both MTN and Vodacom threatened network investment retardation if they didn't get their way in the ongoing and very much unresolved MTR battle, which is strange because the Scameelperd has just announced that Vodacom is going full speed ahead with investing in LTE.

MTN and Vodacom should not be allowed to become any more dominant than they already are, just look at the way that Telkom abused its monopoly and the consequences for Telkom and consumers alike.
 

grim

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http://www.base.be/m/en/mobile/prepaid-cards/base-check-prepaid-cards.html

How much does Vodacom charge for an SMS? Have you considered that even for prepaid, thing are all bundled together in Europe? So what is the effective rate you pay?

And for Saudi

https://www.sa.zain.com/autoforms/portal/site/personal/promotions/trueinternetspeed

Does Vodacom provide any equivalent deal on prepaid?

60 minutes for R10 during the week R5 over weekends: https://myvodacom.secure.vodacom.co.za/personal/main/powerhour

If your maths is bad that's 16.67c/m during the week and 8.33c/m over weekends..

Still waiting for your source about VC being one of the most expensive networks in the world.
 

Hamish McPanji

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60 minutes for R10 during the week R5 over weekends: https://myvodacom.secure.vodacom.co.za/personal/main/powerhour

If your maths is bad that's 16.67c/m during the week and 8.33c/m over weekends..

Still waiting for your source about VC being one of the most expensive networks in the world.

I never claimed VC was one of the most expensive.

And you are really bringing power hour into it? How long is it valid for?

And this :
Only one bundle per day. T&Cs apply and time use periods apply,*6am on Monday 05 May 2014, and endsSunday 01 June 2014*at 10pm for Prepaid and TopUp/uChoose.

View the full Ts&Cs here:*Powerhour terms and conditions
 
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