CERN claims faster-than-light particle measured

zippy

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Still needs to be verified. Also the fact the neutrino's exceed the speed light doesnt mean any other particles can.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/22/cern_spots_ftl_neutrinos/

El Reg: As you might expect, the story has been greeted by “break the laws of physics” and “Einstein wrong!” headlines all over the world. This is both bad science and bad for science, and needs to be dealt with.

If relativity is “wrong”, which is how some people claiming the mantle of “science writer” are putting it, then how come all that stuff that depends on relativity (lasers come to mind) is still working even though neutrinos have apparently travelled faster than light? For the same reason that we can still use Newtonian gravity to predict stellar objects’ behavior: all theories are limited in scope.

The discovery of faster-than-light neutrinos is, if true, wildly exciting for physicists: it opens up a physics in which Einsteinian relativity doesn’t hold true, just as Einstein discovered a physics in which Newtonian gravity didn’t hold true. Einstein is still right within the boundaries of the universe he described; CERN’s found a new universe that Einstein didn’t describe.

Why is bad reporting bad for science?

Because it encourages a simplistic and ignorant understanding of science among the general public.

The reason science works is that it can be proven wrong, if you can do the experiment, replicate the results, and have your results worked over tooth-and-claw by your equals.
 

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Does this mean "time travel is go" again ?

/jaja binx voice

mesa head go banga jussa thinkin abouta thisa masser jedi
 

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Still needs to be verified. Also the fact the neutrino's exceed the speed light doesnt mean any other particles can.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/22/cern_spots_ftl_neutrinos/

Why is bad reporting bad for science?

Because it encourages a simplistic and ignorant understanding of science among the general public.

I do not agree, even simplistic is better than none ;)

But yes I also wanted to mention that Newtonian physics still has its use although it is limited to a specific scope.
 

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Does this mean "time travel is go" again ?


tachyons.jpg
 

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Tachyons always spring to mind first whenever someone discusses timetravel but they're still just theoritical as far as I know :D
 

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I always found it fascinating that the slowest ever recorded speed of light was 38miles per hour through Sodium at -270 degrees
 

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Not possible. It will rip your engine nacells right off. Captain Janeway already tried this. :)

Actually They did, Warp 10 was reached more than once, in fact some records of exceeding it was recorded.

(TOS) the USS Enterprise exceeded warp 10 during its encounter with the Nomad probe, and later the Enterprise was attacked by an Orion scoutship that was traveling at warp 10. Also When the Bele commandeered the Enterpize where they able to not only travel at Warp 10 but to exceed it.

(TNG) I dont recall the exact episode but when Enterprise took on a Blue Alien to enhance the warp drive they Exceeded warp 10, in fact they entered the state of being everywhere at once.

(Voyager) Lieutenant Tom Paris exceeded warp10 in a shuttlecraft using a rare form of dilithium.

Then also dont forget the Transwarp drives

But before I come off as a "Trekkie" I think, I'll stop here, and quietly go make some coffee....
 
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Is there any doubt about the nature of light? My physics modules during university seemed pretty confident as to what light is, so if that is not so, I'd love to find out where the grey areas are.

Well, light goes pretty fast so how do you study its composition et cetera. I was just been curious, nothing shady going on.

If I gave you a rock to analyze you would be able to give me a pretty detailed explanation. But if I asked you to analyze the same rock going 299792458 metres per second you would struggle no?
 

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"Sorry we don't serve Neutrinos here!" Said the barman. A Neutrino walked into a bar.
 

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“Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it.”
― Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man
 
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