Chief justice Mogoeng Mogoeng: 'Our problems are direct consequence of apartheid'

[MidnightWizard]

China places strategic ground to air missiles in Zimbabwe
But hey, they splash the cash and Africa falls for it.

The HongQi 9 development began in the early 1980s, initially based on the U.S. Patriot air defence missile system that China obtained via an unknown third-party country.

unknown third-party country. = ISRAEL !

 

[Alan]

so, at the height of Zuma' s lost decade, what institution was the last defence against him and his ilk. People, are rather selective when it comes to memory...all of us.

Well for you certainly. It was a member of that institution that opened the door for Zuma in the first place.....

The judgment that quashed ANC president Jacob Zuma's prosecution - and led to Thabo Mbeki's ousting - lies in tatters. Five Supreme Court of Appeal judges have unanimously overturned Pietermaritzburg High Court Judge Chris Nicholson's ruling that Zuma's prosecution was invalid because the National Prosecuting Authority had failed to invite him to make representations about the allegations against him before charging him. Reuters reports that Zuma still faces corruption charges. "We are indeed very pleased," NPA spokesperson Tlali Tlali said this morning. "The legal effect of this decision is that Mr Zuma remains charged," he added.

Supreme Court of Appeal Deputy Judge President Louis Harms this morning chastised Judge Nicholson for his "political meddling" inferences against Mbeki and the State, describing them as "gratuitous findings … made about persons not called to defend themselves". "He (Judge Nicholson) overstepped the mark … "He changed the rules of the game, took his eyes off the ball and red-carded not only players but also spectators," Judge Harms said, adding that Judge Nicholson's failure to confine his judgment to the legal dispute before him had set a dangerous precedent. "The findings involving Dr Penuell Maduna, Mr Mbeki and all the other members of cabinet ... were not based on any evidence or allegations. "

5 judges slam verdict ANC used to fire president (Part 1)

The judgment that quashed ANC president Jacob Zuma's prosecution - and led to Thabo Mbeki's ousting - lies in tatters. Five Supreme Court of Appea...

www.security.co.za

 

[yebocan]

Well for you certainly. It was a member of that institution that opened the door for Zuma in the first place.....

5 judges slam verdict ANC used to fire president (Part 1)

The judgment that quashed ANC president Jacob Zuma's prosecution - and led to Thabo Mbeki's ousting - lies in tatters. Five Supreme Court of Appea...

www.security.co.za

so a lower court erred , higher court corrected --- nothing unusual about such a correction
to lay the blame, for Zuma, at the judiciary doorstep is juvenile logic.

 

[Alan]

so a lower court erred , higher court corrected --- nothing unusual about such a correction
to lay the blame, for Zuma, at the judiciary doorstep is juvenile logic.

Apparently you don't take note of dates. It was corrected months later but by then it was too late Mbeki had been recalled.

The events of 2008, the fabled eight days in September that led to Mbeki’s recall, were so quick that it can be difficult to remember how it all started. In brief: Now-President Jacob Zuma had just ascended to the throne at Polokwane, but still faced the corruption charges arising out of the conviction of Schabir Shaik. On December 28, just days after his Polokwane victory, he was formally charged by the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) with corruption.

Almost everyone was shocked when Judge Chris Nicholson handed down a ruling staying the decision to prosecute. Essentially, he bought the argument about political manipulation. He appeared to vindicate Zuma at a time when many people thought Zuma was just making it up. Just an hour after the judgment I asked ANC spokesperson Jessie Duarte if the ANC would ask Mbeki to resign. She said they would consider it at an NEC meeting scheduled for that week.

Two day later, in a surreal moment late on a Sunday evening at the Presidential Guest House, Mbeki gave a press conference with FIFA President Sepp Blatter. The FIFA flag was given the same prominence as South African flag. When questions came, I asked Mbeki if he would resign if asked by the ANC. He said he couldn’t answer now and muttered something about how Essop Pahad would get him to make a formal response in the next few days or so. When I tried to press him, Blatter intervened, and tried to protect him. For which I’ve never forgiven him.

That Friday the NEC started its meeting. By 5pm that evening, literally every journalist in the country was at Esselen Park in Johannesburg. But it was only on Saturday that Gwede Mantashe announced what he had already told Mbeki early that morning: that the ANC was recalling the sitting President.

Op-Ed: The Nicholson Judgement was the tool, not the motivation, for Thabo Mbeki’s recall

Mbeki’s newsletters are required reading for those with an interest in conspiracy theories - and those with medium-term memories. They provide some sort of illustration about what was happening in his mind during his presidency and what is happening in his mind now. While some of his musings...

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[yebocan]

Apparently you don't take note of dates. It was corrected months later but by then it was too late Mbeki had been recalled.

Op-Ed: The Nicholson Judgement was the tool, not the motivation, for Thabo Mbeki’s recall

Mbeki’s newsletters are required reading for those with an interest in conspiracy theories - and those with medium-term memories. They provide some sort of illustration about what was happening in his mind during his presidency and what is happening in his mind now. While some of his musings...

www.dailymaverick.co.za

Correct, I don't - as it was not essential to the premise of this discussion, but anyways... if Nicholson had not erred, we would not be sitting with a lost decade.

 

[grok]

Maybe someone should ask the learned judge to explain this.. If apartheid is to blame for everything, why did the ANC make equality worse than even under apartheid?

He did however say that inequality was now worse than during apartheid.

It was a shame that there were so many people still suffering, the chief justice said.

"Inequality has become sharper than during apartheid."

How did this guy become a judge with so little understanding of the world?

 

[TheChamp]

Maybe someone should ask the learned judge to explain this.. If apartheid is to blame for everything, why did the ANC make equality worse than even under apartheid?

How did this guy become a judge with so little understanding of the world?

"Just know that you are being mischievous if you say people must stop blaming apartheid and colonialism. Yes, we can't blame it all for everything

 

[ArtyLoop]

How did this guy become a judge with so little understanding of the world?

The same way we got Zuma for president.

 

[MidnightWizard]

How did this guy become a judge with so little understanding of the world?

You still have to ask ...?????