Chinese fight to be black

IamCanadian

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Exactly

My wife is having our first child next week. He will be born in South Africa, but we are getting him a USA passport straight away at the embassy. So yes, he will be African American even though he is as "white" as me who is only American married to an African. :p



Why bother to get him an American passport?

I mean if SA is so wonderful, as some people on this forum would have us all believe, then why bother to get US citizenship?

Have SA citizenship and passport only.

(Just being the devil's advocate here - don't take it the wrong way)
 

IanC

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Why bother to get him an American passport?

I mean if SA is so wonderful, as some people on this forum would have us all believe, then why bother to get US citizenship?

Have SA citizenship and passport only.

(Just being the devil's advocate here - don't take it the wrong way)

Indeed!
 

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(Just being the devil's advocate here - don't take it the wrong way)

You're in Canada, right? :confused:
I think you are in the wrong place to start preaching that people should stay here, or not create back doors.
You should actually just stay away from telling people living in SA, that they are not good enough to get work overseas. Maybe people live here because it's their home, and they are trying to make it a better place in spite of what government throws at them. You are the one that left, and are not contributing anything to this country.

Sorry if this seems personal, but people that show only disrespect towards other people is just upsetting. Bloody "hensoppers".
 

IamCanadian

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You're in Canada, right? :confused:
I think you are in the wrong place to start preaching that people should stay here, or not create back doors.
You should actually just stay away from telling people living in SA, that they are not good enough to get work overseas. Maybe people live here because it's their home, and they are trying to make it a better place in spite of what government throws at them. You are the one that left, and are not contributing anything to this country.

Sorry if this seems personal, but people that show only disrespect towards other people is just upsetting. Bloody "hensoppers".

Some of the posters here are dripping with hypocracy. (Not you). They all take a poke at me for moving overseas and I am just fighting back and exposing their hypocracy.

I don't blame people for creating a back door because they do need one. Take bwana for example, he is American and he has a back door which he will use. Others here are quick to cast stones and they are not entirely honest about things.
 

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I'm having a lot of fun here in the USA, given that I am quite legally, and technically, an 'African-American' by all common legal standards.

I was not aware that your ancestors was taken as slaves from West Africa to work on cotton plantations in the Deep South ???.

Your claim to be called an African-American is about as idiotic as those S.A Chinese who claim to be black.
 

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I was not aware that your ancestors was taken as slaves from West Africa to work on cotton plantations in the Deep South ???.

Your claim to be called an African-American is about as idiotic as those S.A Chinese who claim to be black.
I must presume as idiotic for white South Africans to call themselves Africans in your view? As in our Gov's view we are not! (Not even South African) :)
 

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those SA Chinese who're claiming to be 'black' - are doing it because of racist legislation. If they're born in SA, then they're South African Chinese or Chinese South Africans (ie: of 'Asian ancestry). Thats all.

It doesnt matter whose ancestors are what - once you have two or more generations of people born into a country, then to be whining about where long distant ancestors came from, is to be ending up with your head up your semantic gene-obsessed ass.

Ditto to be trying to raise arguments about whose long dead ancestors humped what goat, or stole whose daughters or sold tribes into slavery - is again, to be bordering on the absurd.

All thats relevant is you, your parents, and their parents, pretty much. Anything else is dead history, and no ones fault - given that neither you, your parents, or probably your grandparents as well, 'chose' where they wanted to be born. Go dig up long dead corpses and argue with them rather.

Where you are born, determines what your 'nationality' is. Its all just luck of the draw, a trick of sperm and egg (assuming some places are 'better' than others, to have been born in.)

Idiocy, is trying to make events of 100-200 years ago and longer, seem like valid arguments now to people who werent there at the time, and who have and had nothing whatsoever to do with the far distant past events.

Deal with whats here in reality, the current situation and its resolution - not trying to assign blame over what primitive ancestors happened to get up to.
 
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Idiocy, is trying to make events of 100-200 years ago and longer, seem like valid arguments now to people who werent there at the time, and have and had nothing whatsoever to do with the far distant past events.
Deal with whats here, not what primitive ancestors happened to get up to.

Say that to some folks I see posting here as well as the government. They live eat and blame the past and we all suffer for it.
 

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Its a human trait - its a lot easier to pigeonhole a 'group' (be it a gender, a religion, an ethnic identity) and point fingers at the current group and blame them for past behaviours of often long dead ancestors - thus meaning nothing gets fixed or resolved in the present. It was true for Ireland, its true for modern 'Israel' - and it seems, the 'new South Africa' as well.

That old saying is perhaps coming true:
Those who do not learn from History, are condemned to repeat it.

What started as a democratic non-racial new dispensation, seems to be moving towards more and more antidemocratic attitudes, and race-related statements, laws, and predjudices. Regardless of the 'good intentions' behind the remedial legislation to repair the damage of the neo-Nazi's of the previous regime. There's a mission-creep happening in modern SA, where 'race' is becoming almost as important an issue as it used to be, in the past, for the white supremacists.

Sure 'race' is being raised for different reasons by this current ANC Government - but it shouldn't be being raised at all. Not if its a non-racial democratic country.
 
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IanC

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Its a human trait - its a lot easier to pigeonhole a 'group' (be it a gender, a religion, an ethnic identity) and point fingers at the current group and blame them for past behaviours of often long dead ancestors - thus meaning nothing gets fixed or resolved in the present. It was true for Ireland, its true for modern 'Israel' - and it seems, the 'new South Africa' as well.

That old saying is perhaps coming true:
Those who do not learn from History, are condemned to repeat it.

What started as a democratic non-racial new dispensation, seems to be moving towards more and more antidemocratic attitudes, and race-related statements, laws, and predjudices. Regardless of the 'good intentions' behind the remedial legislation to repair the damage of the neo-Nazi's of the previous regime. There's a mission-creep happening in modern SA, where 'race' is becoming almost as important an issue as it used to be, in the past, for the white supremacists.

Sure 'race' is being raised for different reasons by this current ANC Government - but it shouldn't be being raised at all. Not if its a non-racial democratic country.

Well said.
 

IamCanadian

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Sure 'race' is being raised for different reasons by this current ANC Government - but it shouldn't be being raised at all. Not if its a non-racial democratic country.

Agreed. Well said. This kind of nonsense would be thrown out in Canada.
 

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Can't read anymore :(

WOT is going on in this country!!?

WHO is this government? I thought I voted for freedom: not more of the SAME.
As for the chinese: wow, before they always wanted to be white!?

Sickening. Can't believe I'm typing these words. Thought we were all going to be South African... seems not.

I want a new BLACK government!!! A president would be nice too.

:mad:

(boo - how come I don't have the new strikethru font?)

Black = Majority = Democratically elected


*chuckles to himself*

At least you're starting to see the light. I know a lot of lefties having real difficulties handling your realisation. It's quite sad how far they are willing to delude themselves.


The better way:

South African citizens. Non South African Citizens. Period.

Stating the obvious is the easy part. Implementing it is a where you run into problems.


Why bother to get him an American passport?

I mean if SA is so wonderful, as some people on this forum would have us all believe, then why bother to get US citizenship?

Have SA citizenship and passport only.

(Just being the devil's advocate here - don't take it the wrong way)

Yeah, WHY?


It's nothing new for people to use thier race to gain an advantage. It's happening all over the world now as it was years ago. It's just that some people are finding out today that it isn't a strictly "white man" phenomenon.

Also using policies to correct problems that were caused by that very same policy will obviously lead to trouble. Unfortunately it seems there is no better excuse for justify implementing them.
 
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*chuckles to himself*

At least you're starting to see the light. I know a lot of lefties having real difficulties handling your realisation. It's quite sad how far they are willing to delude themselves.
Fallibility is a world wide phenomena, witness George Bush.

Any sane person has to ask themselves who is deluded here? And by my estimation it is certainly you alan85; you express similar sentiments to IaC but you are still here; what, can't leave can we? Stuck here are we? And still as deluded as you are?

I have said if before and I say it again now, and I am still waiting like we wait for all you trolls: what is your alternative? The gulag? Death camps?

Idiot.

:mad: Do you by chance call yourself Christian?

Minority rule? Bahahahahaha :D LOL
 
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kilo39

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In fact "this thing" is so far beyond you why do you even bother posting here?
 
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There's the insult again. Why can't people argue without getting personal?

If the Chinese want to be black then let them. They were classified as coloureds in the last regime so, depending on your point of view, it's a step up in the scheme of things.

People will be people - and will try and get an advantage wherever they can. I just wish some government official would publish a guide to racial classification because it's all making my head spin.
 

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I have said if before and I say it again now, and I am still waiting like we wait for all you trolls: what is your alternative? The gulag? Death camps?

Idiot.

:mad: Do you by chance call yourself Christian?

Common sense is the alternative, but God forgot to hand that out to Africa
There is not much Christianity left in Africa or South Africa, that's maybe why we are in the state we are.
The biggest Idiots is those that can identify others by good experience :D the rest is just born and left that way
Trolling must then be a contagious disease, just read your post again.
 

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I was not aware that your ancestors was taken as slaves from West Africa to work on cotton plantations in the Deep South ???.

Your claim to be called an African-American is about as idiotic as those S.A Chinese who claim to be black.

Wahahahahaha! :D

Pot calling the kettle black.
 

kilo39

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"Idiot" is not an insult. It is an observation.

If the Chinese want to be black then let them. They were classified as coloureds in the last regime so, depending on your point of view, it's a step up in the scheme of things.

People will be people - and will try and get an advantage wherever they can. I just wish some government official would publish a guide to racial classification because it's all making my head spin.

How can a racial classification be a step-up? In any scenario, most of all SA.

There is no advantage, that's how sad it is. If the government took its rightful place we would/could all move on. Instead of more of the same, of which your post is one.

Common sense is the alternative, but God forgot to hand that out to Africa
There is not much Christianity left in Africa or South Africa, that's maybe why we are in the state we are.
The biggest Idiots is those that can identify others by good experience :D the rest is just born and left that way
Trolling must then be a contagious disease, just read your post again.

And another one. My post above (all of them) apply equally to you.
 
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