Chinese Fur Farms Horrific animal slaughtering

[RVFmal]

It saddens me that we still have people like PeterCH, Slootvreter and Balstrome who still think along such narrow lines.

But, although it is sad, there is a lot of heartening responses on this thread. In the past I have been ridiculed, laughed at, scorned and ostracised for my support of animal welfare and in most cases I would have been exhausted at having to defend my stance, but today and of late I see many more people starting to speak out on behalf of animals and this gives me great hope taht one day humanity will see taht we cannot continue in this vein and that acts like this are not just unethical, but immoral.

Thank you to all those who voiced their support, but thank you to the 3 protaganists for putting forward their points of view as you have raised the awareness of others to the point of responding. This is how we start to rollback the neanderthalic view that most humans have of their existence on this planet.

 

[marine1]

Hunters who hunt for fun and people who harm animals are sick individuals who were not loved as kids and should be in jail or better yet dead.
How can one harm an animal?
Fcuiking freaks !!
RVFmal you are right and I support you.
Let me catch someone hurting an animal.

 

[Balstrome]

Then animals and plant life.

But without plant life and wildlife how will we exist if we choose ourselves first.

If plant life and wildlife cease to exist we will cease to exist.

you cant just say i am first.

why did God command Noah to bring pairs of each animal on the ark, because if he didn't how would the human race survive without plant life and wildlife.

First, I don't buy the Noah story. Second, your point about plants and animals is ?? Thing is, we in control and we will always make sure that we have something to eat. In that we will have seed vaults and such things, in case things go pear shaped. And this is all because we can thing and plan ahead.

 

[Balstrome]

Let me catch someone hurting an animal.

You beat yourself up, each time you have a kfc rounder ?

 

[Balstrome]

PeterCH: '... a million animals painfully killed than one child .....'
.... million Jews painfully killed that one German child having to suffer.'

Jewish folk are not animals, at least not from my point of view.

We are ALL on this earth together and no one sentient being has ANY more right to life than another.

Sentient being, only ones I know of, are my fellow humans, never had much of conversation with a cow or a fox. So yes, you agree with me, in a way, we rule and make the rules.
If dogs could rule, I am sure they would have some good ideas, but until there are sentient dogs, no chance.

As for the other argument, 'animals aren't people', remember that not so long ago (and even still today unfortunately) people used to believe that 'Jews aren't people', or 'blacks aren't people and don't deserve equal rights'.

But those people have always been human, in fact and no just be political decree. While animals have always been animals and always will be. So fail again.

PeterCH, Slootvreter, Balstrome etc: You ignorant, self-righteous people are exactly those who'll repeat all the mistakes of the past. When we die we are all answerable for our actions and don't think you can use the lame excuse 'think about the children!'.

When on the losing side, get god on your side with his big stick.

 

[porn$tar]

Sentient being, only ones I know of, are my fellow humans, never had much of conversation with a cow or a fox. So yes, you agree with me, in a way, we rule and make the rules.
If dogs could rule, I am sure they would have some good ideas, but until there are sentient dogs, no chance.

But those people have always been human, in fact and no just be political decree. While animals have always been animals and always will be. So fail again.

When on the losing side, get god on your side with his big stick.

Communication skills aren't a measure of sentience, if it were, I could claim some of myBB members aren't sentient.

I'm 100% sure that a cow or a dog is aware of itself and it's surroundings.

Losing side? you started losing when you opened your mouth.

 

[Emjay]

Shocking, shocking stuff (both the website and some of the responses here). Those animals are warm blooded. How on this planet can anyone try justify what those pigs are doing? Only a sick person would even try to rationalise or defend them.

BTW, those animals will not grow up to be murderers, rapists or pollute this planet even further.

RVFmal, keep voicing your opinions. This world needs more people like you.

 

[ZA.Schmidt]

Sentient merely means an organism is aware of its existence. 'Conscious' as it were. To say that animals can't experience mental or physical pain is the most arrogant, presumptious thing I've ever heard.

 

[kobie]

I'm not against killing animals for fur/meat but ffs kill the thing first before skinning it. Really, the dude has a nice big knife on him, would it be that hard to cut the animals throat first?

 

[ZA.Schmidt]

I also see killing animals for food a 'necessary evil'. However, there's no reason why they have to live cruel, traumatic lives and even worse deaths.

 

[Magnarmalok]

Ok-
People here come from different religions- religions determine what you think is right and wrong point.

So what makes the none religious people *decide* whats right from wrong-
Why is extinction a bad thing? Really whats wrong with wiping lions and sharks?
Why is pain* bad
why is murder bad
why is what you see as evil, evil? because you would not want to be placed in those shoes?

We must debate ethics and WHY* it is seen as wrong, you must be able to look from other peoples views.

In my view pain,cruelty is wrong.
Why do they think those couple of minutes will make the fur better any ways "are they stupid" they don't even know how adrenalin works and it won't make the hair change.
I also think eating meat and plants are both just as wrong I don't care about a psyche but if you have to you do it because you want to live and you can debate whats wrong and right all you want but people will never think the same way as you because what their psyche is based on is other humans knowlege on whats wrong and right.

So this is why I asked who is the one choosing whats wrong and right , I say you have to choose your self if you don't have a religion and if you do you have guide lines whats wrong from right.

 

[porn$tar]

I'm agnostic, religion's got sweet nothing to do with morals.

Ok-
People here come from different religions- religions determine what you think is right and wrong point.

So what makes the none religious people *decide* whats right from wrong-
Why is extinction a bad thing? Really whats wrong with wiping lions and sharks?
Why is pain* bad
why is murder bad
why is what you see as evil, evil? because you would not want to be placed in those shoes?

We must debate ethics and WHY* it is seen as wrong, you must be able to look from other peoples views.

In my view pain,cruelty is wrong.
Why do they think those couple of minutes will make the fur better any ways "are they stupid" they don't even know how adrenalin works and it won't make the hair change.
I also think eating meat and plants are both just as wrong I don't care about a psyche but if you have to you do it because you want to live and you can debate whats wrong and right all you want but people will never think the same way as you because what their psyche is based on is other humans knowlege on whats wrong and right.

So this is why I asked who is the one choosing whats wrong and right , I say you have to choose your self if you don't have a religion and if you do you have guide lines whats wrong from right.

 

[RVFmal]

Hunters who hunt for fun and people who harm animals are sick individuals who were not loved as kids and should be in jail or better yet dead.
How can one harm an animal?
Fcuiking freaks !!
RVFmal you are right and I support you.
Let me catch someone hurting an animal.

Hunting for sport is inexcusable (hence our latest drive when Sanlam sent out a mail inviting its clients to a weekend of relaxed hunting at a game lodge - http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/sanlam-supports-hunting ). There definitely need to be more stringent laws governing the abuse of animals, not just locally but worldwide.

Thanks for the support Marine1

First, I don't buy the Noah story. Second, your point about plants and animals is ?? Thing is, we in control and we will always make sure that we have something to eat. In that we will have seed vaults and such things, in case things go pear shaped. And this is all because we can thing and plan ahead.

There is a huge difference in torturing an animal and having to kill one to survive and even then your argument falls flat on the basis that we do not need to kill animals to survive as we can survive just fine without killing them, as per your admission about seed vaults.

You beat yourself up, each time you have a kfc rounder ?

Mankind has been eating meat for centuries so it is very difficult to state that one has to stop. However, where does it state that one cannot be against abuse and torture if one eats meat? This argument is as old as the hills and certainly is starting to lose its impact. There are many people who do great work at saving animals from abusive situations and torture that still eat meat. It will take genrations before humans evolve to the point where they see that it is not necessary. This is just one step in our evolutionary phase.

Shocking, shocking stuff (both the website and some of the responses here). Those animals are warm blooded. How on this planet can anyone try justify what those pigs are doing? Only a sick person would even try to rationalise or defend them.

BTW, those animals will not grow up to be murderers, rapists or pollute this planet even further.

RVFmal, keep voicing your opinions. This world needs more people like you.

I would not even compare these sorts of people as pigs to be honest. That is the single difference between animals and humans. They will not force their views on fellow living beings as instinctively they know that to survive there needs to be a balance in nature, We are the only living beings who purposely attempt to tip the scales in our favour.

I will never stop voicing my opinions as we all need to to ensure that people are held accountable for their actions as all actions have consequences.

Ok-
People here come from different religions- religions determine what you think is right and wrong point.

So what makes the none religious people *decide* whats right from wrong-
Why is extinction a bad thing? Really whats wrong with wiping lions and sharks?
Why is pain* bad
why is murder bad
why is what you see as evil, evil? because you would not want to be placed in those shoes?

We must debate ethics and WHY* it is seen as wrong, you must be able to look from other peoples views.

In my view pain,cruelty is wrong.
Why do they think those couple of minutes will make the fur better any ways "are they stupid" they don't even know how adrenalin works and it won't make the hair change.
I also think eating meat and plants are both just as wrong I don't care about a psyche but if you have to you do it because you want to live and you can debate whats wrong and right all you want but people will never think the same way as you because what their psyche is based on is other humans knowlege on whats wrong and right.

So this is why I asked who is the one choosing whats wrong and right , I say you have to choose your self if you don't have a religion and if you do you have guide lines whats wrong from right.

We all instinctively know right from wrong, but I do not think that this should degenerate into a discussion about religious beliefs.

 

[PeterCH]

I also see killing animals for food a 'necessary evil'. However, there's no reason why they have to live cruel, traumatic lives and even worse deaths.

Have you studied why they kill them that way or if they even kill them that way -- except on that one farm where the footage was taken?

Point is you don't know. It's easy to judge, 'you know those Chinese are so weird'... and 'they're so oriental and all'.... they must be sadists, seriously people assume the worst of foreigners. They're like us. They don't enjoy killing anymore than we do.

It's like with the Taiwanese artist who took a picture of a duck with dolls legs and started a rumour that Taiwanese people eat aborted fetuses. Westerners, thinking 'those orientals' must be strange accepted it wildly, it became so stupid that even the FBI was pulled in to investigate.

Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/cannibal/fetus.asp

 

[PeterCH]

It saddens me that we still have people like PeterCH, Slootvreter and Balstrome who still think along such narrow lines.

It saddens me we have people who think the Chinese are subhuman. Dude - you've got a very racist view of things.

 

[PeterCH]

Shocking, shocking stuff (both the website and some of the responses here). Those animals are warm blooded. How on this planet can anyone try justify what those pigs are doing? Only a sick person would even try to rationalise or defend them.

BTW, those animals will not grow up to be murderers, rapists or pollute this planet even further.

RVFmal, keep voicing your opinions. This world needs more people like you.

1. Killing cold blooded animals is wrong too. I think killing turtles for turtle soup is bad, but it's no different to a beef steak or a Pork Eisbein.

2. Those are people and not pigs. I'll give them the benefit of a doubt and more then likely assume that they're doing what they're doing out of necessity.

3. Yes of course they'll pollute the planet, making electronic goods you're so happy to buy, at least they're polluting their own country so you can have a cheap TV and washing machine and car stereo. Europe has polluted itself already in this event called the Industrial Revolution. Now they're outsourcing most production to the CHinese so they
can pollute their own rivers. I'm no fan of the govt of China but I'm no enemy of any ordinary Chinese person. Secondly you probably drive a car which ends up
putting more pollutants into the atmosphere and you poison more animals than these people kill that way. And one more thing, if we paid more for our electronic goods
and clothes maybe there would be enough money for these people not to have to kill, maybe they'd be working as factory workers OR their extended families
could support them with HUMANE wages.

I think killing all animals and plants is wrong. Have you eaten a salad today?
You know that was at least one lettuce plant which died there.

The most important thing to note that there is a FUNDAMENTAL difference between killing people and animals or plants. Whales, goats, pigs, ducks are animals and killing them for food or cultural goods is not wrong as long as we don't kill them all. I don't see the difference between killing a sheep and killing such animals, unless they're killed for pleasure. I don't think that's the case here.

 

[porn$tar]

It saddens me we have people who think the Chinese are subhuman. Dude - you've got a very racist view of things.

Good at Twister I see, word Twister that is. Nowhere did he say so broadly that Chinese people are subhuman, he referred specifically the people in the video, they could have black, white or pink. The video could have been filmed in Europe or South America, makes no difference.

People before animals hey? What's the next level, your race before others?

 

[porn$tar]

You know that was at least one lettuce plant which died there.

You seriously think that plants are sentient?

 

[BCO]

What rubbish, so you say little innocent animals must suffer because we cannot control our population and we dont know how to take care of our own kids? What utter rubbish man.
Seriously sometimes I wonder. So basically the Earth must suffer because of humans?? Come on man.
I would gladly sacrifice a billion humans for the animals and for the good of Earth. We are clearly a plague on this planet.

I'm very late into this topic, but I had to comment on this quote:

Marine, sometimes I like you, pal.

 

[PeterCH]

You seriously think that plants are sentient?

They are alive. Sentient or not, killing them is also wrong.