Chinese Fur Farms Horrific animal slaughtering

[PeterCH]

Good at Twister I see, word Twister that is. Nowhere did he say so broadly that Chinese people are subhuman, he referred specifically the people in the video, they could have black, white or pink. The video could have been filmed in Europe or South America, makes no difference.

People before animals hey? What's the next level, your race before others?

He prefers animals to the Chinese, ie he'd rather see those Chinese people starve then have some animals killed (in whatever way). I think that's racist, because in a way that's saying that he doesn't care what their situation is like over there but they should subjugate themselves to his feelings. When some of us stood up for the impoverished people over there, he said "He was said people like us...".

I'm proud to stand up for human rights. And no my race is never pitched above others.

 

[BCO]

Peter, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone before who is able to twist the meaning of what people say more than you do. Sometimes I worry about your basic comprehension skills, because surely you couldn't be that manipulative and dishonest in your "debating" style simply to "win" an argument.

Seriously dude, you need help.

 

[porn$tar]

He prefers animals to the Chinese, ie he'd rather see those Chinese people starve then have some animals killed (in whatever way). I think that's racist, because in a way that's saying that he doesn't care what their situation is like over there but they should subjugate themselves to his feelings. When some of us stood up for the impoverished people over there, he said "He was said people like us...".

What he said was, that he doesn't want the animals to suffer the way they do. Surely they can make a living without torturing the animals?

Nowhere did he say say that he doesn't care about those people, you're twisting his words to fit your own flawed argument. You're flopping around like a fish out of water.

And what about harvesting rhino horns, elephant tusks and shark fins so that people can feed their families? If that's also okay with you, then your reasoning is seriously twisted.

As for the last bold part that I'm sure you misquoted, all i can say is: what?

 

[PeterCH]

What he said was, that he doesn't want the animals to suffer the way they do. Surely they can make a living without torturing the animals?

Nowhere did he say say that he doesn't care about those people, you're twisting his words to fit your own flawed argument. You're flopping around like a fish out of water.

And what about harvesting rhino horns, elephant tusks and shark fins so that people can feed their families? If that's also okay with you, then your reasoning is seriously twisted.

As for the last bold part that I'm sure you misquoted, all i can say is: what?

I paraphrased. Anyway, people first.
He said:

Originally Posted by RVFmal View PostIt saddens me that we still have people like PeterCH, Slootvreter and Balstrome who still think along such narrow lines.

You know if given the choice between some African people starving and some Rhino horn sold off, I'd prefer the African people NOT to starve
and if Rhino being sold off was the only ready way of doing that, then so be it.
Ideally I'd want neither, but in this imperfect world, I'll ALWAYS (with no exceptions) take the side of the people who are trying to make a living -- not major profits - but who are trying to survive.

If the rhino was killed by a bunch of mercs who were doing this for extra
pocket money -- I'd say it was wrong, inhuman, cruel etc.

YES if poachers are killing elephants to feed their families and they can't do other things, I won't be against them. If they are just being lazy and not farming or doing something else - I would condemn them. However, given that the children of the poachers would starve if the poachers wouldn't
poach and they wouldn't do legitimate things, I'd say poach away. I wouldn't want one child to SUFFER for the sake of any animal.

I do understand that overpoaching would kill of the animals these people live off on and then they'd starve anyway. From that POV I am against poaching,
but NOT from the POV of the animal rights people. If poaching can be controlled and be sustainable - no problems.

 

[PeterCH]

Peter, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone before who is able to twist the meaning of what people say more than you do. Sometimes I worry about your basic comprehension skills, because surely you couldn't be that manipulative and dishonest in your "debating" style simply to "win" an argument.

Seriously dude, you need help.

BlueCollar, it's PeterCH, we're not on first name basis, I'd appreciate it if you laid off the patronising .

My POV may not be popular in the Pro-animal brigade, but I couldn't care less
what people here think of me. I'm a straight shooter, and I'll say it how it is.

I tell you what, I justified my POV in this thread already, as have others with similar views to mine. I won't reply anymore in this thread, maybe you'll
feel happier and your day will have a brighter outlook, ne? K?

Ciao.

 

[Magnarmalok]

In the forum a guy said that we "know wrong from right" lies if we did why do we debate whats wrong and whats right.

also who has the right to decide any thing and say none sentient living being has no rights?

Also why ARE THESE DAM PEOPLE HAVING KIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY IN POV??? THEY DESERVE TO DIE THEN (but not the kids)

 

[BCO]

BlueCollar, it's PeterCH, we're not on first name basis, I'd appreciate it if you laid off the patronising .

My POV may not be popular in the Pro-animal brigade, but I couldn't care less
what people here think of me. I'm a straight shooter, and I'll say it how it is.

I tell you what, I justified my POV in this thread already, as have others with similar views to mine. I won't reply anymore in this thread, maybe you'll
feel happier and your day will have a brighter outlook, ne? K?

Ciao.

*sigh*

 

[porn$tar]

I paraphrased.

That's what i said, twisted.

I do understand that overpoaching would kill of the animals these people live off on and then they'd starve anyway. From that POV I am against poaching,
but NOT from the POV of the animal rights people. If poaching can be controlled and be sustainable - no problems.

But that is the POV of the animal rights people. By it's very definition, poaching cannot be controlled.

There ALWAYS other ways of preventing starvation.

 

[porn$tar]

In the forum a guy said that we "know wrong from right" lies if we did why do we debate whats wrong and whats right.

also who has the right to decide any thing and say none sentient living being has no rights?

Also why ARE THESE DAM PEOPLE HAVING KIDS IN THE FIRST PLACE IF THEY IN POV??? THEY DESERVE TO DIE THEN (but not the kids)

Because the world we live in isn't black and white.

 

[porn$tar]

I tell you what, I justified my POV in this thread already, as have others with similar views to mine.

yeah, a whopping 3 of you.

 

[GuileX]

First, I don't buy the Noah story. Second, your point about plants and animals is ?? Thing is, we in control and we will always make sure that we have something to eat. In that we will have seed vaults and such things, in case things go pear shaped. And this is all because we can thing and plan ahead.

Whatever i don't care what you believe, you wanna **** up the world go right ahead there will always be someone opposing you .

I know your type bal you are just saying all these things out of spite. you live and strife on conflict, you must have at least one fight or argument with a person at work or home to satisfy yourself

 

[GuileX]

I paraphrased. Anyway, people first.

YES if poachers are killing elephants to feed their families and they can't do other things, I won't be against them. .

Okay so a poacher if he would to kill an elephant he would have to be quick about it, he is stealing it anyways. so he would aim for the head or the heart. one shot one kill,

on the other hand the chinese takes the animal by the back legs beats it to the ground takes a huge stick a few blows to the head, while they skin it ALIVE another few blows to the head, if that doesn't suffice lets just step on its neck, because everyone enjoys when you jump on there necks

 

[RVFmal]

It saddens me we have people who think the Chinese are subhuman. Dude - you've got a very racist view of things.

Could you justify your statement by pointing out where I stated that the Chinese were subhuman? Wow! Look at that - racism is brought into the debate. Would never have expected that.

If you read my posts clearly I have stated that this happens worldwide and not just in China. I have nothing against Chinese, Portuguese, Arabians, Africans or any other race. I have an issue with PEOPLE who maim, torture and kill animals in despicable and grotesque manners.

 

[RVFmal]

He prefers animals to the Chinese, ie he'd rather see those Chinese people starve then have some animals killed (in whatever way). I think that's racist, because in a way that's saying that he doesn't care what their situation is like over there but they should subjugate themselves to his feelings. When some of us stood up for the impoverished people over there, he said "He was said people like us...".

I'm proud to stand up for human rights. And no my race is never pitched above others.

To be honest PeterCH, I at times do prefer animals over humans any day of the week. What we have done to this planet is despicable.

As I have said before, the problem of poverty was created by humans NOT by the animals and therefore we need to take responsibility for the problem we created. This does not mean that animals have to suffer for it, although from your point of view they do.

Why should animals have to subjugate to their feelings (created by a system designed by their own)? You believe that humans are above all else on this planet, I feel that all living beings have as much right to be here and to survive without being tortured (and by all I mean humans too).

I still fail to see how racism has even been entertained as an argument to my mindset as I would take the same stance even if my own race (and believe me they are just as capable and do) committed such heinous acts.

And when I said I was saddened by people like you, it was not due to your standing up for impoverished people, it is due to your lack of understanding of the plight of animals and your insistence that humans are greater than all other living beings.

I am proud to stand up for animal rights and my species is not pitched above any other.

 

[Emjay]

It saddens me we have people who think the Chinese are subhuman. Dude - you've got a very racist view of things.

And there it is. The race card.

People will fiercely stand up for animal rights as they have no voice of their own. What the Chinese are doing is completely wrong. I understand they have a family to feed, but at the very least, make the animals' death painless. How can you argue against that?

 

[Balstrome]

What we are saying is People first, then animals if we have the time. If there is a choice between Paris and her Puppy, well the doggie is gonna peg.

 

[Magnarmalok]

I think people in poverty should lose their penises if they have kids in poverty!

 

[GuileX]

What we are saying is People first, then animals if we have the time. If there is a choice between Paris and her Puppy, well the doggie is gonna peg.

i wonder if paris will let them skin her puppy alive so she can have a fur coat

 

[Balstrome]

Forget it, battle of wits, with a disarmed opponent

 

[RVFmal]

What we are saying is People first, then animals if we have the time. If there is a choice between Paris and her Puppy, well the doggie is gonna peg.

That much is clear. No need to try and clarify something that is blatantly obvious.

But thanks for again showing how shallow and narrow minded you actually are.