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Christian consumers campaign against halaal
- Thread starter Grant
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No I'm sorry I also object to being forced to eat Halaal and Kosher - although Kosher is less invasive. My basic objection is animal rights. I don't like how the animals are slaughtered and not subject to the same anti-cruelty laws (such as they are) as other meat.
As for non-meat items - why must they be certified? Why must pasta and cereal and whatever be certified? People are free to practice their religion but don't impose your faith on me when I don't follow it. I don't care what faith it is. If the purple potato worshipers wanted to force their purple potato beliefs on me I would object just as strongly.
Please have kosher and halaal products in stores - clearly marked - that is freedom of religion, but imposing restrictions on EVERYONE is not freedom -that is oppression.
You cannot buy a single product in this country that is not marked Halal and Parev - and I object to that. Freedom of religion does not give them the right to have their beliefs take precedence over every other person who do not share the same beliefs (or any beliefs). It isn't a religious debate of mine over yours, but that yours does NOT get to have everything their way.
It is impossible for anyone to actually choose NOT to buy halaal or parev - every last item in stores is certified. Bread, butter, cereal, jam, chips, pasta, flour, sugar ... everything. And that isn't right.
They have the right to have their own products - but I equally have the right NOT to buy those products and MY choice has been taken away but a very small minority who everyone ****s in their pants to avoid offending. Just leave MY food alone.
And if the manufacturers are doing it because it is easier to certify the whole product line than do separate products - tough **** - NOT my problem if you follow a minority religion that makes it **** hard to buy food.
It IS however YOUR problem if you impose your beliefs on people who have nothing whatsoever to do with your faith.
As for non-meat items - why must they be certified? Why must pasta and cereal and whatever be certified? People are free to practice their religion but don't impose your faith on me when I don't follow it. I don't care what faith it is. If the purple potato worshipers wanted to force their purple potato beliefs on me I would object just as strongly.
Please have kosher and halaal products in stores - clearly marked - that is freedom of religion, but imposing restrictions on EVERYONE is not freedom -that is oppression.
You cannot buy a single product in this country that is not marked Halal and Parev - and I object to that. Freedom of religion does not give them the right to have their beliefs take precedence over every other person who do not share the same beliefs (or any beliefs). It isn't a religious debate of mine over yours, but that yours does NOT get to have everything their way.
It is impossible for anyone to actually choose NOT to buy halaal or parev - every last item in stores is certified. Bread, butter, cereal, jam, chips, pasta, flour, sugar ... everything. And that isn't right.
They have the right to have their own products - but I equally have the right NOT to buy those products and MY choice has been taken away but a very small minority who everyone ****s in their pants to avoid offending. Just leave MY food alone.
And if the manufacturers are doing it because it is easier to certify the whole product line than do separate products - tough **** - NOT my problem if you follow a minority religion that makes it **** hard to buy food.
It IS however YOUR problem if you impose your beliefs on people who have nothing whatsoever to do with your faith.
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I am not deluded about the cruelty that can happen, nor I am unaware of just how much more needs to be done in stopping it, but at very least the process tries (even if it fails sometimes) to avoid cruelty. Animals are stunned before being killed etc. But with both Halaal and Kosher the animals absolutely may NOT be stunned and MUST bleed to death. This is just degrees worse. AND there is no oversight because 'religion'.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Seems some are ok with some degree of cruelty, but once Islam gets dragged into it, then it's a step too far.
There should be a massive reform on all levels with serious oversight and enormous penalties for those that breach them, but that won't happen because people are happy to buy meat from animals that are mistreated for most of their lives. Until you add in "halaal" of course, then there's an issue.
Not that that shouldn't be banned outright as well.
There should be a massive reform on all levels with serious oversight and enormous penalties for those that breach them, but that won't happen because people are happy to buy meat from animals that are mistreated for most of their lives. Until you add in "halaal" of course, then there's an issue.
Not that that shouldn't be banned outright as well.
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assuming this is true, then it would be easy and simple enough to produce both halal & non halal goods.
assuming a manufacturer produces 1000 bottles of sauce and 3% of the population requires the sauce to be certified, then the certifying authority can go in and certify those 30 boxes, place the require certification sticker on each box, and the associated cost be added to the 30 boxes - after all, these costs are negligible.
or could it be the "costs are negligible" because 97 people are subsidising the costs to satisfy the requirements of 3
or maybe this is why pick 'n pay say halal costs are negligible :
assuming a manufacturer produces 1000 bottles of sauce and 3% of the population requires the sauce to be certified, then the certifying authority can go in and certify those 30 boxes, place the require certification sticker on each box, and the associated cost be added to the 30 boxes - after all, these costs are negligible.
or could it be the "costs are negligible" because 97 people are subsidising the costs to satisfy the requirements of 3
or maybe this is why pick 'n pay say halal costs are negligible :