Christian consumers campaign against halaal

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People can believe whatever they want to believe but I object to being forced to support those beliefs and I refuse to buy Halal products.

Animal slaughter is a cruel business at best but there is no need for the added level of cruelty.
You can't avoid buying halaal and that is my objection. Look at the lists.

http://www.halaal.org.za/node/4

http://www.sanha.co.za/a/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=675&Itemid=137

And you will see that every major manufacturer is on there.
 

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Seems some are ok with some degree of cruelty, but once Islam gets dragged into it, then it's a step too far.

There should be a massive reform on all levels with serious oversight and enormous penalties for those that breach them, but that won't happen because people are happy to buy meat from animals that are mistreated for most of their lives. Until you add in "halaal" of course, then there's an issue.

Not that that shouldn't be banned outright as well.
No I'm saying that with other meat there is still oversight. You can complain if there is a problem you become aware of. I can call the SPCA if I see a truck load of animals on the road that are not being transported properly - but call someone because a Kosher / Halaal animal is not being slaughtered properly? Forget it!!!! No-one wants to touch that. Same as animals being slaughtered in backyards for other cultural purposes. Can't touch it. The fact that it is unhygenic, that people have no idea what they are doing and hack away at the poor animal with a blunt knife, or any of the other things that go on - you can't. It's their culture and their religion and blah blah blah.
 

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I have been told before that since our market is so small (compared to europe/americas) the products we get settle for the lowest common denominator. So if importers or manufacturers would choose between a product certified vs non certified they will go for the certified one so they could sell to more people.
 
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What a storm in a teacup. I have yet to walk into a supermarket and not be able to find bacon. So either bacon is kosher/halaal, or this thread is a rant about nothing.


Pork chops too


And gammon


And wine
 

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haha :D

assuming a manufacturer produces 1000 bottles of sauce and 3% of the population requires the sauce to be certified, then the certifying authority can go in and certify those 30 boxes, place the require certification sticker on each box, and the associated cost be added to the 30 boxes - after all, these costs are negligible.
I suppose it becomes a logistics nightmare, to get the right products to the right people.
 

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Did I read correctly? Halaal certified Kellogg's corn flakes? I don't eat cereals but I would imagine there would be no need for such a product to receive certification.
 

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What a storm in a teacup. I have yet to walk into a supermarket and not be able to find bacon. So either bacon is kosher/halaal, or this thread is a rant about nothing.


Pork chops too


And gammon


And wine
Same here, but have you checked any of your other products and see how they are labeled? And with that product can you buy an alternative? I think that is what people are complaining about.
 

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Same here, but have you checked any of your other products and see how they are labeled? And with that product can you buy an alternative? I think that is what people are complaining about.
People need to start supporting smaller, local butchers.
 

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I think people are complaining about the fact that the proceeds from certification goes into funding the building of mosques, Muslims schools etc. I am atheist so why should my money fund religious practices
 

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is that time again? oh well wish them good luck in their endeavour.


Next thing bacon gets removed

Think about that for a second
that's sacrilegious , dont give them ideas.

I've never seen people as intolerant as religious people.
that's not very tolerant of you, have some tolerance for the intolerant
That's a lie.




And they know this how ?
how dare you question this, they are speaking on your behalf :p
Foodstuffs and restaurants in Sa definitely do seem to have a far greater Halaal/Kosher certifications than places like the US or Eu, why is that especially considering what a small part of the population these 2 groups are?
p word sounds like stop it and not the religious kind


The whole of Vangate mall in Athlone is halaal.
and people claim the cape is ruled by the Jews :confused:


Burger King in SA has always been halaal.


And that's the problem with Muslims. They want others to accommodate them, but they won't do the same to others.
company that brought BK to Sa are owned by?
No I'm sorry I also object to being forced to eat Halaal and Kosher -

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OMG (oh wait i'm Muslim so OMA) where is this you were forced to eat something, did they hold you at gun or knife point? you must report this crime. name and shame this place so we can all avoid being forced to eat at knife and gun point
You're not wrong in this but you're delusional if you think all animals that aren't for halaal slaughter are treated well.

If you actually want to make a statement, cut out all meat you haven't seen farmed/slaughtered yourself.
come now man you know this isnt the time for logical arguments

People can believe whatever they want to believe but I object to being forced to support those beliefs and I refuse to buy Halal products.

Animal slaughter is a cruel business at best but there is no need for the added level of cruelty.
what meat is murder, lovely delicious murder

Seems some are ok with some degree of cruelty, but once Islam gets dragged into it, then it's a step too far.

There should be a massive reform on all levels with serious oversight and enormous penalties for those that breach them, but that won't happen because people are happy to buy meat from animals that are mistreated for most of their lives. Until you add in "halaal" of course, then there's an issue.

Not that that shouldn't be banned outright as well.
what did i say about logical arguments.

You can't avoid buying halaal and that is my objection. Look at the lists.



And you will see that every major manufacturer is on there.
Spar not good for you?
 
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People need to start supporting smaller, local butchers.
For some people thats easier said than done and you are also hoping that your local butcher is a trusting on honest fellow. It would also be nice if we could support all types of local businesses.
 

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Same here, but have you checked any of your other products and see how they are labeled? And with that product can you buy an alternative? I think that is what people are complaining about.
Not going to get upset about halaal washing powder. If Allah blesses my clothes that's cool. :)
 

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For some people thats easier said than done
Yeah, it would be so nice if people weren't only willing to pay lip service to their 'ideals' instead of making an effort. Of course the Spar being 2 minutes away as opposed to a local butcher being 30 minutes away is a perfectly valid reason to ignore things like animal cruelty.

you are also hoping that your local butcher is a trusting on honest fellow.
Yes, that's true enough, although the smaller butcher has way more to lose if it comes out they're lying about their practices.
 

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Unless the halaal logo transfers from the washing powder packaging onto your clothes, I don't see how your clothes could possibly be blessed (that would surely require a separate ceremony and money changing hands before your clothes can be logo'ed).
I put Moth balls in my cupboard. My clothes are blessed.
 
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