City of Cape Town accused of forking out almost R500 000 for DA councillor Nora Grose's legal bill

[Vrotappel]

Something doesn't have to be wrong to be morally and ethically flawed. Zuma is also not doing anything wrong by frustrating the legal process to make sure he goes to the grave without ever accounting in court for his charges, it's all provided for in law.

And yes, Zuma is a perfect example to show just what a bunch of hypocrites they are.

Not really. They are closer to the situation than we are and can most probably see that the prosecution of this person is flawed.

Just remind us again which metros are the best run in SA and which party runs those metros.

I think their track record speaks for itself.

Please don't hate the track record. Your ANC is poor and will always be poor because at the most basic level they are criminals.

 

[wingnut771]

Ra Ra Ree kick her inna knee.
Ra Ra Runt kick her inna......
Thieving twat .

What did she steal?

 

[wingnut771]

Everyday I have more and more sympathy for people who refuse to vote. Because let's face it Politics are by now mostly filled by people doing it as a career not a Civic Duty and a lot of Business people simply influence Policies via lobbying.

Edit to add: And it's a worldwide problem.

Has that not always been what politics is all about? A few people who are committed to the ideals and lot more who are just in it for money and power? I don't think it's a recent phenomenon, perhaps the only difference is privatization, it has created a lot more opportunities for politicians to loot. The information age also means things are way more transparent than they used to be.

Ban politicians.

 

[wingnut771]

We are all presumed innocent but must use our own to maintain that presumption. Why must public representatives get the option of the public paying to defend them of charges that they stole from that very same public. In theory, the law is right to try prevent malicious persecution for political gain, but it needs to be more nuanced.

No such thing in this country:

 

[The Darkness]

That podcast thing was very stupid. Trying to appear cool.

He revealed his true colours. An irreparable stain on his reputation.

 

[Darth Garth]

What did she steal?

TERS fraud.

 

[Darth Garth]

Still nothing compared to Zuma bill. First he bankrupts the country then still demand that Tax payers fit the bill.

Was waiting for the "Whataboutism" card .

 

[wingnut771]

TERS fraud.

Only according to GOOD. The church got the money. Why isn't the church also being charged?

 

[Deleted member]

Proper own goal this by the DA................

 

[R13...]

Proper own goal this by the DA................

Hypocrisy aside, strictly speaking they are required by law to cover the legal fees.

 

[Johnatan56]

I don't see an issue with them funding it, just if found guilty she is liable for the costs, if found not guilty then prosecution needs to reimburse.
Otherwise you have the issue that everyone can just prosecute for fraud if they dislike the person and bankrupt them, the party has the funds to act as a buffer since politicians are going to be a common target as public figure.

 

[surface]

Only according to GOOD. The church got the money. Why isn't the church also being charged?

A document seen by News24 shows that the Life Changers Church in Table View paid back R54 328.06 of the R171 778 in Covid-19 food relief funds it allegedly irregularly and indirectly received from the City.

 

[Quicks]

Was waiting for the "Whataboutism" card .

I am not defending the DA, what they are doing is wrong as well. But if you look at ANC it pales in comparison. Just wish ALL these politicians process would be swift and if found guilty which they normally are, is delt with with the harshest punishment.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Thanks to GOOD's Brett Herron for keeping the heat up. They even allowed her to stand and she was elected again despite the corruption charges, while that loud mouth John is busy shouting about ANC members accused of corruption.

Ward councillor Nora Grose makes it to DA's PR candidate list despite fraud case

Morning Review host Lester Kiewit chats to DA MP Emma Powell about the ongoing case against DA ward councillor Nora Grose.

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But isn't this your usual stance when the accused is an ANC member?

• DA constituency head Emma Powell says Grose has the right to be presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law

Why are your morality and ethics different for DA members?

 

[TheChamp]

But isn't this your usual stance when the accused is an ANC member?

• DA constituency head Emma Powell says Grose has the right to be presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law

Why are your morality and ethics different for DA members?

Yes it is, but DA doesn't subscribe to my lowly standards, do they? Why did he not do the same thing he was preaching to Ramaphosa about on Nora Grose?

Steenhuisen not convinced by Ramaphosa's claim that ANC 'dips heads in shame over corruption' | News24

President Cyril Ramaphosa must lay charges of corruption against his own party members and suspend them immediately, says interim DA leader John Steenhuisen.

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President Cyril Ramaphosa must lay charges of corruption against his own party members and suspend them immediately, and not allow the ANC's Integrity Commission to dish out a warning and a reward package.

 

[RedViking]

That's cheap. Couldn't they afford proper lawyers?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

You may be right to some extent. My thoughts on this are based on what people used to be paid say 60 years ago for being in Politics relative to other jobs at the time.

Correct. Even the NP guys could be seen driving their own cars in traffic.

Mayors were unpaid as was any councilor except for a nice car for official use only for the Mayor, a nice chain of office and actual expenses. The only people in a municipality that were paid were the Town Clerk (CFO), Town Engineer and staff. There was no political representation in a municipality either.

And this is in my living memory.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So, your thoughts are based on people in politics 60 years ago. Which country were you brought up where this ideal was seemingly common?

All British colonies did it this way, including India. The meritocracy system the Indian government still uses for the promotion of civil servants was instituted by the British Raj...

 

[TheChamp]

Correct. Even the NP guys could be seen driving their own cars in traffic.

Mayors were unpaid as was any councilor except for a nice car for official use only for the Mayor, a nice chain of office and actual expenses. The only people in a municipality that were paid were the Town Clerk (CFO), Town Engineer and staff. There was no political representation in a municipality either.

And this is in my living memory.

And what exactly is that meant to imply? Were they poor? Humble? Because Ministers still drive their own cars in traffic, some Minister was even hijacked not too long ago.

 

[wingnut771]

And what exactly is that meant to imply? Were they poor? Humble? Because Ministers still drive their own cars in traffic, some Minister was even hijacked not too long ago.

That public funds were spent frugally. Why are there always budget cuts? It's because of ridiculous salaries for government officials.