Climate change: New Zealand's plan to tax cow and sheep burps

[rh1]

No, burps. Article says burps.

I never thought I would google this; but you are right:

Which is a bigger methane source: cow belching or cow flatulence? – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. Current news and data streams about global warming and climate change from NASA.

climate.nasa.gov

 

[Grant]

What is their solution then? To slaughter 80% of their livestock in order to cut down on methane emissions? Perhaps they (and you) should ask Neil Ferguson to do some modelling for them in order to save the planet.

Try read again, this time very slowly, and try pointing to each word as you say it aloud.

My comment was in response to your post - read again.

As to modelling, plenty has been done with our farmers in South Africa. But you as a denier living in the city drinking your bottles water would obviously know better than any of our farmers who have had to change their way of farming

 

[Paulsie]

If you have not noticed, global population is in decline . Rather find ways to spread economies and cities so single areas are not so dense. Work from home and remote work is a good start if more is invested in Internet infrastructure.


The problem is with governments and rulers, not so called over population. pop

Maybe white European population. The global population seems to be doing just fine...

Live counter below

World Population Clock: 8 Billion People (LIVE, 2023) - Worldometer

How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 8 billion on November 15, 2022 according to the United Nations. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data regarding the current, historical, and future world population figures, estimates...

www.worldometers.info

 

[Nicodeamus]

How about tackling the REAL elephant in the room?

Human over population.
We really need to thin our own herd going forward.
Cows, sheep and fossil fuels aren't the problem, we as humanity are.
We breeding uncontrollably like a plague of rats currently.

The world is underpopulated, and all countries have seen their fertility rate drop in the last 30 years.

Reducing livestock significantly risks accelerating desertification, but the environmentalists don't get it.

 

[Nicodeamus]

There is more than enough space for more humans. If you have not noticed, global population is in decline. Rather find ways to spread economies and cities so single areas are not so dense. Work from home and remote work is a good start if more is invested in Internet infrastructure.


The problem is with governments and rulers, not so called over population.

All major cities have been declining in population density since the 1950s. Thanks to the introduction of cars and highways. In fact Paris was more densely populated in the 1600s than today. New York's inner city is at its lowest density in decades.

Core City Population Losses Detailed | Newgeography.com

www.newgeography.com

 

[Paulsie]

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All major cities have been declining in population density since the 1950s. Thanks to the introduction of cars and highways. In fact Paris was more densely populated in the 1600s than today. New York's inner city is at its lowest density in decades.

Core City Population Losses Detailed | Newgeography.com

www.newgeography.com

Population density has nothing to do with pressure on resources.

A couple that has 5 kids can live in a bigger house to eliminate overcrowding. Doesn't mean they can survive on the same limited budget.

Having said that, the main environmental disaster is industrial pollution, plastics etc. It is those that should be controlled and raced heavily.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Does anybody else feel like "Climate change" is the biggest scam since Covid?

Climate change has been happening since the Earth got an atmosphere several billion years ago. There is not enough data to indicate whether man's activities are influencing the current warming cycle and speeding it up. Ice is actually rare in the history of the planet. There is no doubt though that the climate is warming and according to measurements the trend under the Holocene mean is actually a cooling with the planet temperature still under the mean average with a present day warming spike since the 1600s.

 

[Nicodeamus]

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Population density has nothing to do with pressure on resources.

A couple that has 5 kids can live in a bigger house to eliminate overcrowding. Doesn't mean they can survive on the same limited budget.

Having said that, the main environmental disaster is industrial pollution, plastics etc. It is those that should be controlled and raced heavily.

In terms of resources we have more now than at any time in history. Resources availability is measured by the simon abundency index.

The Simon Abundance Index 2021 - HumanProgress

www.humanprogress.org

 

[Cosmik Debris]

In terms of resources we have more now than at any time in history. Resources availability is measured by the simon abundency index.

The Simon Abundance Index 2021 - HumanProgress

www.humanprogress.org

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Yeah right. We now have more coal and oil since we started burning it at a rate of many tons per day...

And the Simon index is based on the availability of resources by price. Nothing about them being used up physically. Learn to read before you post.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Yeah right. We now have more coal and oil since we started burning it at a rate of many tons per day.

Our efficiencies in using the resource kept on increasing as well as our ability to find alternatives

And the Simon index is based on the availability of resources by price. Nothing about them being used up physically. .

That's the Malthusian fallacy. The price of a resource indicates it's availability. It's economics 101.

Learn to read before you post

Please understand a bit of economics before you make a silly post like this again.

The error that you're making is to look at resources as a stock and not a flux.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Our efficiencies in using the resource kept on increasing as well as our ability to find alternatives


That's the Malthusian fallacy. The price of a resource indicates it's availability. It's economics 101.

Please understand a bit of economics before you make a silly post like this again.

The error that you're making is to look at resources as a stock and not a flux.

Oh great, the problem is me. Why not drive your car on an empty tank then if there is more oil than there was since we started burning it?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Oh great, the problem is me. Why not drive your car on an empty tank then if there is more oil than there was since we started burning it?

That analogy makes no sense. You're still thinking of it as a stock in a tank. In the bigger picture availability depends on the price that reflects all the inputs into the system.

 

[Paulsie]

Climate change has been happening since the Earth got an atmosphere several billion years ago. There is not enough data to indicate whether man's activities are influencing the current warming cycle and speeding it up. Ice is actually rare in the history of the planet. There is no doubt though that the climate is warming and according to measurements the trend under the Holocene mean is actually a cooling with the planet temperature still under the mean average with a present day warming spike since the 1600s.

For once we are in agreement!

Average historical CO2 levels (if I remember correctly) were around 1200, instead of current mid 400s. Good for plants. So yes, your long term graph indicates cooling on millennial scale.

Also, the is a clear of indication that any (current) warming there may be, precedes the rise in CO2 levels, not the other way round.

The ocean is a huge historical sink of CO2 and warm water simply cannot hold onto as much of it, simply releasing it into the atmosphere (the opposite of warm air being able to hold onto more moisture).

 

[Paulsie]

In terms of resources we have more now than at any time in history. Resources availability is measured by the simon abundency index.

The Simon Abundance Index 2021 - HumanProgress

www.humanprogress.org

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The data does not make sense to me.

Looking at GDP per hour worked, in 1980 "we" produced 548.59 GDPvs 102.65 in 2020.

That would mean that actual human productivity discreased.

Also, what was the formula for GDP calculayion the same as it is now? Was financialization of debt (government spend using printed money) included?

And lastly, even if there is increase of abundance, it has been achieved through the issuance of debt, which is unsustainable in the long run. Unless the system changes.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

That analogy makes no sense. You're still thinking of it as a stock in a tank. In the bigger picture availability depends on the price that reflects all the inputs into the system.

How about stock in the Earths crust? It can't be used up? Ever?

 

[Nicodeamus]

How about stock in the Earths crust? It can't be used up? Ever?

Last time I checked we have enough Uranium and coal reserves to last until the sun burns out.
But sure you can start saving now for your future ×^15 generation.

 

[Nicodeamus]

The data does not make sense to me.

Looking at GDP per hour worked, in 1980 "we" produced 548.59 GDPvs 102.65 in 2020.

That would mean that actual human productivity discreased.

Also, what was the formula for GDP calculayion the same as it is now? Was financialization of debt (government spend using printed money) included?

And lastly, even if there is increase of abundance, it has been achieved through the issuance of debt, which is unsustainable in the long run. Unless the system changes.

The Simon Abundance Index is measured in time prices. To calculate a commodity’s time price, the nominal price of a commodity is divided by the global average nominal hourly wage. Over the last 40 years, the average nominal price of the 50 commodities rose by 51.9 percent, and the global average nominal hourly wage rose by 412.4 percent. So, the average time price of the 50 commodities fell by 75.2 percent.

The personal resource abundance multiplier is calculated by dividing the average time price of the 50 commodities in 1980 by the average time price of the 50 commodities in 2020. The multiplier tells us how much more of a resource a person can get for the same hours of work between two points in time. We find that the same hours of work bought one unit in the basket of 50 commodities in 1980 and 4.03 units in the same basket in 2020.

effectively it's about how did commodity prices rise/fall relative to earnings.
For the same 8 hours of work today I can buy more things than for those 8 hours in 1970. i.e. resources relative to labour became more abundant.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Last time I checked we have enough Uranium and coal reserves to last until the sun burns out.
But sure you can start saving now for your future ×^15 generation.

References for that please? If you checked, you must know where you looked. Show me.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

effectively it's about how did commodity prices rise/fall relative to earnings.
For the same 8 hours of work today I can buy more things than for those 8 hours in 1970. i.e. resources relative to labour became more abundant.

Exactly. The Simon Index is about the prices of commodities, not about how much there is.

 

[Insint]

Back in the day when there was more sane people running the world people were paid on game shows to eat crickets.