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"Dark orange, my arse"

Sabine is pissed with TheScience™

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I see Sabine K@kbender is still harvesting the clicks like there's no tomorrow.
Hook, line, sinker.

I'll give it to her, she saw where the market is heading and responded in kind.... big bucks to be made with science denial these days.
It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

 
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RaptorSA said:
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I see Sabine K@kbender is still harvesting the clicks like there's no tomorrow.
Hook, line, sinker.

I'll give it to her, she saw where the market is heading and responded in kind.... big bucks to be made with science denial these days.
It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

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Funny that. I remember not so long ago, when Sabine's videos were being used to point out how unscientific some people are when it comes to climate.
 
Paulsie said:
Funny that. I remember not so long ago, when Sabine's videos were being used to point out how unscientific some people are when it comes to climate.
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Yup.
And I will continue to do so when she's covering specific research, critiquing it etc.
That video of her criticising the research trying to point to global warming being the main cause of the CA fires is fine, we always knew that pointing to one event and trying to blame AGW is going to be extremely tenuous if you try to quantify such a thing in regards to a specific event.

But her recent "science is broken" narrative tirade that she's been on needs to be called out, there are millions of people falling for that these days, just look at any public post covering science in the past few years. COVID definitely dialled it to 11 and it's been on the increase ever since.

Hell, this very thread has been dripping with it from the start. Folks peddling the same "science scepticism" about the OP without actually engaging in any specific details or research.

I've also noticed now that Trump has won it's almost as if there's a race out there about who can be anti-establishment and anti-science the most, almost like it has become a badge of honor. His recent public spectacle when cancelling "trans" research was an insane example of that. Someone in his administration just went through research grants and ctrl-f'ed looking for the word "trans" without understanding a single thing about what the research was trying to do. It has nothing to do with turning mice trans. Pure cringe.

The pendulum always swings and now is the time to be very cautious of valid critique going too far.
 
RaptorSA said:
Yup.
And I will continue to do so when she's covering specific research, critiquing it etc.
That video of her criticising the research trying to point to global warming being the main cause of the CA fires is fine, we always knew that pointing to one event and trying to blame AGW is going to be extremely tenuous if you try to quantify such a thing in regards to a specific event.

But her recent "science is broken" narrative tirade that she's been on needs to be called out, there are millions of people falling for that these days, just look at any public post covering science in the past few years. COVID definitely dialled it to 11 and it's been on the increase ever since.

Hell, this very thread has been dripping with it from the start. Folks peddling the same "science scepticism" about the OP without actually engaging in any specific details or research.

I've also noticed now that Trump has won it's almost as if there's a race out there about who can be anti-establishment and anti-science the most, almost like it has become a badge of honor. His recent public spectacle when cancelling "trans" research was an insane example of that. Someone in his administration just went through research grants and ctrl-f'ed looking for the word "trans" without understanding a single thing about what the research was trying to do. It has nothing to do with turning mice trans. Pure cringe.

The pendulum always swings and now is the time to be very cautious of valid critique going too far.
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I actually, for the most part, agree with you.

However, when politicians have influence over it, and common Joe feels he needs to have an opinion about it (and yes that includes me), is a cleat sign that science IS indeed broken.
 
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A question popped up for me after a 'Did you know' info sheet popped on my feed.

With all this rising sea lvls doomsday stuff.

We finding ships inland, in deserts, during mining excavations and whatnot that sunk 500 to even 5000 years ago...

So sea levels were higher before today and dropped and quite significantly to what we have now?
 
RaptorSA said:
Yup.
And I will continue to do so when she's covering specific research, critiquing it etc.
That video of her criticising the research trying to point to global warming being the main cause of the CA fires is fine, we always knew that pointing to one event and trying to blame AGW is going to be extremely tenuous if you try to quantify such a thing in regards to a specific event.

But her recent "science is broken" narrative tirade that she's been on needs to be called out, there are millions of people falling for that these days, just look at any public post covering science in the past few years. COVID definitely dialled it to 11 and it's been on the increase ever since.

Hell, this very thread has been dripping with it from the start. Folks peddling the same "science scepticism" about the OP without actually engaging in any specific details or research.

I've also noticed now that Trump has won it's almost as if there's a race out there about who can be anti-establishment and anti-science the most, almost like it has become a badge of honor. His recent public spectacle when cancelling "trans" research was an insane example of that. Someone in his administration just went through research grants and ctrl-f'ed looking for the word "trans" without understanding a single thing about what the research was trying to do. It has nothing to do with turning mice trans. Pure cringe.

The pendulum always swings and now is the time to be very cautious of valid critique going too far.
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I've never liked her. She's got the most condescending attitude while continuously failing to research stuff properly or arguing against strawmen.

Prime example of a scientist that should stick to their field.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
A question popped up for me after a 'Did you know' info sheet popped on my feed.

With all this rising sea lvls doomsday stuff.

We finding ships inland, in deserts, during mining excavations and whatnot that sunk 500 to even 5000 years ago...

So sea levels were higher before today and dropped and quite significantly to what we have now?
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Nope. Sea levels are higher today than they have been for 125,000 years.

Went to see the Nelson Bay Cave a few years back and they have a sign explaining that the reason the lower layers of evidence of human activity consist mostly of animal bones and the top layers consist mostly of shells is because, around 15,000 years ago, the coast was about 80km further away and rose gradually.

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Several geological processes can explain finding ships or marine evidence inland:

  1. Tectonic uplift - Land can rise due to tectonic plate movements, lifting previously submerged areas above sea level. This is common in regions like the Mediterranean where ancient ports are now inland.
  2. Post-glacial rebound - After the last ice age (about 12,000 years ago), land that was compressed by massive ice sheets gradually rose after the ice melted, a process still occurring today in places like Scandinavia.
  3. Sediment accumulation - Rivers deposit sediments that extend coastlines over time. Ancient port cities like Ephesus and Troy are now inland due to this process.
 
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Nope. Sea levels are higher today than they have been for 125,000 years.

Went to see the Nelson Bay Cave a few years back and they have a sign explaining that the reason the lower layers of evidence of human activity consist mostly of animal bones and the top layers consist mostly of shells is because, around 15,000 years ago, the coast was about 80km further away and rose gradually.

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Several geological processes can explain finding ships or marine evidence inland:

  1. Tectonic uplift - Land can rise due to tectonic plate movements, lifting previously submerged areas above sea level. This is common in regions like the Mediterranean where ancient ports are now inland.
  2. Post-glacial rebound - After the last ice age (about 12,000 years ago), land that was compressed by massive ice sheets gradually rose after the ice melted, a process still occurring today in places like Scandinavia.
  3. Sediment accumulation - Rivers deposit sediments that extend coastlines over time. Ancient port cities like Ephesus and Troy are now inland due to this process.
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This doesn't answer my question about sunken ships being found inland, at least imho/perspective.
 
MuterOfWorlds said:
This doesn't answer my question about sunken ships being found inland, at least imho/perspective.
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tetrasect said:
Several geological processes can explain finding ships or marine evidence inland:

  1. Tectonic uplift - Land can rise due to tectonic plate movements, lifting previously submerged areas above sea level. This is common in regions like the Mediterranean where ancient ports are now inland.
  2. Post-glacial rebound - After the last ice age (about 12,000 years ago), land that was compressed by massive ice sheets gradually rose after the ice melted, a process still occurring today in places like Scandinavia.
  3. Sediment accumulation - Rivers deposit sediments that extend coastlines over time. Ancient port cities like Ephesus and Troy are now inland due to this process.
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MuterOfWorlds said:
A question popped up for me after a 'Did you know' info sheet popped on my feed.

With all this rising sea lvls doomsday stuff.

We finding ships inland, in deserts, during mining excavations and whatnot that sunk 500 to even 5000 years ago...

So sea levels were higher before today and dropped and quite significantly to what we have now?
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'Lemme get this straight:
In your mind, entire ships are ending up in mining excavations and deserts due to massive sea level drops over relatively short time periods yet when someone mentions climate change and threats to coastal towns and cities over a potential few feet rise in X decades you consider it "doomsday" stuff rhetoric?

Help me understand here.
 
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Paulsie said:
I actually, for the most part, agree with you.

However, when politicians have influence over it, and common Joe feels he needs to have an opinion about it (and yes that includes me), is a cleat sign that science IS indeed broken.
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This is what it looks like when Common Joe implements his "common sense" opinion about reality:

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Science is fine, common Joe, however, he's not that lekker in the head anymore, especially now that every second d**s thinks he's an expert.
I blame the internet.
 
RaptorSA said:
This is what it looks like when Common Joe implements his "common sense" opinion about reality:

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Science is fine, common Joe, however, he's not that lekker in the head anymore, especially now that every second d**s thinks he's an expert.
I blame the internet.
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This is what it looks like when Common Joe stops trusting public health messaging in its entirety.

And that has by far been the most damaging factor of the covid craze.
 
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Paulsie said:
This is what it looks like when Common Joe stops trusting public health messaging in its entirety.
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And yet you don't see the link between the anti-science messaging being spread by people on the right and this lack of trust in public health messaging?
 
Cray said:
And yet you don't see the link between the anti-science messaging being spread by people on the right and this lack of trust in public health messaging?
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You mean listening to Alex Jones? No, I don't see the link. Some will be influenced by his BS, but not all.

Instead, where I see the link is here:

- oficially stating you MUST vaccinate as vaccines will stop infection and transmission
- officially stating you MUST consume seed oils as they are good for your heart
- officially stating that solar is the ONLY way to reduce global warming

The common thread in all these is that you MUST do one single thing and stop doing everything else) for a problem to go away. And if you do not, you are anti this or that.

It's crying wolf incorrectly way too many times. People stop listening.
 
Paulsie said:
You mean listening to Alex Jones? No, I don't see the link. Some will be influenced by his BS, but not all.

Instead, where I see the link is here:

- oficially stating you MUST vaccinate as vaccines will stop infection and transmission
- officially stating you MUST consume seed oils as they are good for your heart
- officially stating that solar is the ONLY way to reduce global warming

The common thread in all these is that you MUST do one single thing and stop doing everything else) for a problem to go away. And if you do not, you are anti this or that.
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Honestly never heard any official statements regarding people being required to install solar or consume seed oils. And as far as I know any official recommendation about vaccines is that they were recommended, not mandatory.... All the BS and fear mongering comes from people in positions of power who should know better (RFK Jr for example.)
 
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