Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Oppiekoffie]

Firstly, they are growing every election. Dislodging a party like the ANC is like trying to remove stale weetbix, it isn't going to be overnight.

Next: read your words: on Twitter. It might come as a shock to you but what the loudest twits on twitter say is not what is going on in the streets of South Africa. You have ANC members in government who genuinely called for violence against white South Africans and there wasn't a peep. If you take that comment off social media, most South Africans would vehemently disagree with it. Yet they would still vote for the ANC.

tHEY HAVE BEEN trying. Succeeding, unfortunately for our multi race party a few incidents has proven not so multi race at times. The decision on Zille will be a big one IMO. She made an opinion, some agree, some don't as is with any opinion by a person. Disciplinary action? Ridicilous IMO.

 

[Oppiekoffie]

The irony, the very institution through which Maimane speaks his voice was brought to SA through colonial means.

Well spotted. I comletelty forgot he went to Allen Glen High, graduated from the University of South Africa (BA Psychology), the University of the Witwatersrand (Masters in Public Administration), and Bangor University, Wales (Masters in Theology).
Even went to the land of the conolialists.

 

[saturnz]

Well spotted. I comletelty forgot he went to Allen Glen High, graduated from the University of South Africa (BA Psychology), the University of the Witwatersrand (Masters in Public Administration), and Bangor University, Wales (Masters in Theology).
Even went to the land of the conolialists.

And in schools everyday kids are taught terrorist ideas of algebra

 

[HBee]

People who support Zille on this, might as well support fathers who rape their daughters, after-all they also do some good such as provide food, shelter, schooling and shopping sprees while they defile their own flash and blood.

Zille was not supporting the father, she was merely pointing out that he had some good qualities (food shelter, education...), and that the rape was not all he was about.

 

[thestaggy]

Zille needs to honestly stay off of social media.

I'm not debating whether what she said had any merit or was downright wrong, but in SA certain things cannot be said for fear of you being labelled a this and that and the DA most certainly can do without negative publicity, especially when it can be construed as racist.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Zille needs to honestly stay off of social media.

I'm not debating whether what she had any merit or was downright wrong, but in SA certain things cannot be said for fear of you being labelled a this and that and the DA most certainly can do without negative publicity, especially when it can be construed as racist.

She's gifted the ANC a chance to deflect away from the SASSA debacle. That's sheer political incompetence.

 

[cr@zydude]

Colonialism wasn't all bad, same as the Nazis, it was just skewed towards the bad side. Sadly it wasn't "politically correct" for Zille to state so. I wonder when the DA are going to start losing their base voters when they get fed up with all the back-tracking/annoying statements in order to cater for the vocal minority.







































http://www.dailystormer.com/50-thin...ow-about-adolf-hitler-and-national-socialism/

The world wars caused technology to advance by leaps and bounds.

Zille was asked about this on Twitter. While she sees the good of colonialism, she saw nothing good ever coming from the Nazis.

 

[Johnatan56]

Big LOL at 14 and 19.

14. No class or race, for those who are lucky enough to be considered as humans (which excludes Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled, everyone not baptized and only if their nose is not too big).

19. Except for free Zyklon B showers whenever deemed required.

PS: Fischer Tropsch process was created 8 years before Hitler came to power.

The jet reactor technology was created and designed before (in 1910 actually), the first jet plane to fly happened to be nazi in 1939 but every Western nation was already on it and the British had theirs flying in 1941 and US in 1942.

I understand what you hate against 14, but for the majority of the population it was a huge change from the previous. It would never have happened otherwise, the nobles would still control the entire court system and have special laws apply (or not) to them, etc.

19. It's the conservation law? Not sure what you mean by Zyklon B showers in this case.

Yes to the Fischer-Tropsch process, the theory was done in the 1920's but the first practical implementation was done by the Nazis.

 

[konfab]

Well spotted. I completely forgot he went to Allen Glen High, graduated from the University of South Africa (BA Psychology), the University of the Witwatersrand (Masters in Public Administration), and Bangor University, Wales (Masters in Theology).
Even went to the land of the conolialists.

The greatest irony is Maimane is Christian. Which means that he believes non-Christians go to hell. Which theoretically means that the christian missionaries who formed part of the colonisation, which means that colonisation saved his a$$ as well as most of Africa from getting burned by hellfire.
#BlackAfterlivesMatter

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Yes to the Fischer-Tropsch process, the theory was done in the 1920's but the first practical implementation was done by the Nazis.

Nazis, or German scientists at the time? Same goes for methadone, for example.

 

[Johnatan56]

Nazis, or German scientists at the time? Same goes for methadone, for example.

Yeah, the other side of the argument. Would the scientists have managed this without the Nazis (e.g. lack of funding) or would it have proceeded just fine?

 

[f2wohf]

I understand what you hate against 14, but for the majority of the population it was a huge change from the previous. It would never have happened otherwise, the nobles would still control the entire court system and have special laws apply (or not) to them, etc.

19. It's the conservation law? Not sure what you mean by Zyklon B showers in this case.

Yes to the Fischer-Tropsch process, the theory was done in the 1920's but the first practical implementation was done by the Nazis.

Didn't the Weimar Republic and Bismarck already promoted social equality ?

Zyklon B was the chemical used in gas chambers. And it wasn't very environmentally friendly either.

They wouldn't have had to use F-T without the war they created, the majority of their petrol was still coming from oil.

It's basically things that would have done anyway roughly at the same period with or without the nazis so I wouldn't put the credit on them.

For the rockets, I agree that they developed it better and further than anyone.

The push on movies and cinema was actually copied from Soviet propaganda who used cinema a lot, but they did innovate.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Really? A tweet ending someone's career?

This kind of stuff would be rightly mocked in the USA or Europe. Some politicians over tweet far more controversial stuff...

Colonialism tweet will end Helen Zille’s career

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Sure there was some manufactured outrage on Thursday but the tweet, on its own, was ruinous. No black person in SA today could have tweeted what she did. That is because the things that did work worked because they were needed only, but only, to serve the interests of the colonialists or Afrikaner nationalists who had ordered them built.

White people in SA need fundamentally to change the way they think. There is absolutely nothing, apart from the heroism in the face of threat of a very few whites over the centuries we have been here, to be proud of.

We need to crush our sense of achievement and success and see those things for what they really are. Nowhere in the world is there a population quite so privileged as white SA. We came, we saw, we conquered and we lived like kings.

And we remain deeply racist, pretty much all of us. I fight mine all the time. It is all you can do when you recognise it. At the office, in the car, watching the politics. You have to be conscious of what that feeling that rises in you is. Racism is the sense one race has that it is superior to another.
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I feel sorry for Zille. Twitter has been her weakness. It offers no context. And it has really done her now. Mmusi Maimane, her successor as leader of the DA, was quick to denounce her. "Let’s make this clear," he tweeted minutes after she had apologised. "Colonialism, like apartheid, was a system of oppression and subjugation. It can never be justified."

Then he set in train a procedure that could see her face an internal party disciplinary inquiry into what she said and for breaching party rules on the use of social media. So serious is the offence she may even be asked to leave the DA. I have little doubt Maimane would like that to happen. Zille has made herself a political liability and put Maimane into an impossible position

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/o...lonialism-tweet-will-end-helen-zilles-career/

 

[konfab]

Really? A tweet ending someone's career?

This kind of stuff would be rightly mocked in the USA or Europe. Some politicians over tweet far more controversial stuff...



https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/o...lonialism-tweet-will-end-helen-zilles-career/

Speaking at Heritage Day celebrations in KwaDukuza on Sunday, Zuma said: "When I was growing up an ungqingili (a gay) would not have stood in front of me. I would knock him out."

The Sowetan quoted Zuma as saying that same sex marriages were "a disgrace to the nation and to God".

http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zuma-provokes-ire-of-homosexuals-295239

The only standards the ANC has are double standards.

 

[R13...]

http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zuma-provokes-ire-of-homosexuals-295239

The only standards the ANC has are double standards.

The ANC can get away with **** like that because such ourbursts dont bother their primary blind following. The DA have a much tougher gallery to play to.

 

[konfab]

The ANC can get away with **** like that because such ourbursts dont bother their primary blind following. The DA have a much tougher gallery to play to.

Or maybe the vast majority of the population don't care about either? Maybe the only people who care are twits on twitter

 

[Johnatan56]

Didn't the Weimar Republic and Bismarck already promoted social equality ?

Zyklon B was the chemical used in gas chambers. And it wasn't very environmentally friendly either.

They wouldn't have had to use F-T without the war they created, the majority of their petrol was still coming from oil.

It's basically things that would have done anyway roughly at the same period with or without the nazis so I wouldn't put the credit on them.

For the rockets, I agree that they developed it better and further than anyone.

The push on movies and cinema was actually copied from Soviet propaganda who used cinema a lot, but they did innovate.

Yes, same with the Slazcha in Poland, where the laws were removed but the custom didn't change, but they helped stop this in Austria:

Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss of the Christian Social Party took power in Austria on May 20, 1932, and moved the party and Austria towards dictatorship, centralization and fascism, in part because the fascist Italy was its strongest international ally against Germany. In March 1933, Dollfuss took advantage of an error in a bill in parliament, and his cabinet voted to dissolve the National Council and declared that parliament has ceased to function. In May 1933 he created the Fatherland Front. While outwardly fascist, it was mostly Catholic and influenced by the papal encyclical Quadragesimo anno of 1931 which refuted liberalism and socialism in favour of corporatism.

The government was in competition with the growing Austrian Nazi party, which wanted Austria to join Germany. Dollfuss's Austrofascism tied Austria identity to Roman Catholicism as a means to show the reason why Austria should not join a predominantly Protestant Germany.

Political violence escalated into 1934 February civil war between Nazis, Social Democrats and government forces. On May 1, 1934, Dollfuss created a one-party state, to be led by the Fatherland Front (German: Vaterländische Front), with the proclamation of the authoritarian "May Constitution". Name of the country was changed from "Republic of Austria" to Federal State of Austria. The flag, coat of arms and anthem were changed, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Austrian_Republic (yes, I linked Wikipedia, but it was the easiest thing to find on mobile. I had a discussion with my grandfather about this, the clashes messed up his village.)

You mean the fertilizer and not the gas chambers? Or do you please have an article on the effects?

Yep, but they did and are therefore the first to put in into practice.

I doubt it, but as I said, depends on your viewpoint. It did happen with the Nazis pushing large budgets at scientific development, so I would still credit them as assisting in it.

Yes, same as the Americans did with their pamphlets, war requires a propaganda machine.

 

[thestaggy]

Really? A tweet ending someone's career?

This kind of stuff would be rightly mocked in the USA or Europe. Some politicians over tweet far more controversial stuff...



https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/o...lonialism-tweet-will-end-helen-zilles-career/

Yes. You don't know how powerful mass triggerings caused by social media rants/opinions/comments can be.

To be safe, keep all opinions for the braai.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Yeah, the other side of the argument. Would the scientists have managed this without the Nazis (e.g. lack of funding) or would it have proceeded just fine?

Well, in the case of the Fischer-Tropsch process, it was developed 8 years before the Nazis came to power at the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institut für Kohlenforschung, which had been in existence for 21 years already before the Nazis came in.

 

[konfab]

To be safe, keep all opinions for MyBB.

FTFY