Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Garson007]

who cares, the point is there are positives from terrorism too, whether people wish to recognise it or not is immaterial

:erm:

 

[Garson007]

The fact is people do it with those examples all the time, even the experts. Not everyone has the time to delve into every avenue when discussing these sorts of topics.

All fine and dandy, but then Zille has to come to terms with the fact that conflicts that many South African cultures still remember to this day were fought against colonialists. It makes me think that she doesn't know South Africa at all and is completely out of touch.

 

[yebocan]

Dear Helen,

I feel compelled to write to you after your recent Twitter tirade. It smacked of those tweets the leader of the free world sends without forethought or context...

So I'd like to write to you about context. You see, the old adage that you only truly understand when you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes still holds true!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/joh...re-you-oblivious-of-the-south-afr_a_21898834/

You see, the old adage that you only truly understand when you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes still holds true!

 

[Alan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/joh...re-you-oblivious-of-the-south-afr_a_21898834/

You see, the old adage that you only truly understand when you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes still holds true!

lolz typical rich whitey huffingtonpost drivel.....

 

[Willie Trombone]

Every time I read an article from that site, I promise myself I'll do this

 

[Swa]

The greatest irony is Maimane is Christian. Which means that he believes non-Christians go to hell. Which theoretically means that the christian missionaries who formed part of the colonisation, which means that colonisation saved his a$$ as well as most of Africa from getting burned by hellfire.
#BlackAfterlivesMatter

The great irony is that Maimane was speaking purely with a political mouth. Being educated he probably knows that colonialism not only had positives but made everybody much better off but of course he can't say that.

Didn't the Weimar Republic and Bismarck already promoted social equality ?

Zyklon B was the chemical used in gas chambers. And it wasn't very environmentally friendly either.

They wouldn't have had to use F-T without the war they created, the majority of their petrol was still coming from oil.

It's basically things that would have done anyway roughly at the same period with or without the nazis so I wouldn't put the credit on them.

For the rockets, I agree that they developed it better and further than anyone.

The push on movies and cinema was actually copied from Soviet propaganda who used cinema a lot, but they did innovate.

Thing is even with all the advancements the world, the Jews and the Germans were all devastated after WW2 so I don't get how someone can make comparisons to something that was all round bad for all involved. It's like trying to perform sterilisation in a septic tank.

Most Afrikaners are stuck with the DA because they think there's no alternative.

ftfy

You do not need colonialism to prospect. My point is that the people do not have to be exploited to have what they have today. Trade relations are the building stones to bargaining.

I didn't say anything about being exploited. I want to know how they would have fared without any contact with outside non-African nations. If you don't want to answer or can't that's ok.

Remember that colonialism is simply the expansion and setting up of colonies in another territory. There is no inherent principle that anybody must be exploited to achieve it and it might as well happen in an area that's completely uninhabited like if we were to colonise Mars. That it went down the way it did here is besides the point that colonialism can neither be blamed or praised for anything as there is nothing inherent to it. Unless your position is that the locals couldn't make it on their own, in which case colonialism was required for them to achieve anything.

 

[Swa]

[video=youtube;Klu1SCueDow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klu1SCueDow[/video]

 

[access]

funny, the boere fought colonialist/ism back then, leave them in isolation and the result was die hel. colonialism boosted them too..


stop fighting it, it happened, use it to better yourself.

 

[etienne_marais]

funny, the boere fought colonialist/ism back then, leave them in isolation and the result was die hel. colonialism boosted them too..

stop fighting it, it happened, use it to better yourself.

I think most Boers/Afrikaners are willing to acknowledge the myriad advances, economic contributions and sport introduced by the British.

 

[Willie Trombone]

I think most Boers/Afrikaners are willing to acknowledge the myriad advances, economic contributions and sport introduced by the British.

'n Boer maak 'n plan, maar 'n Engelsman maak 'n sukses daarvan?

 

[access]

I think most Boers/Afrikaners are willing to acknowledge the myriad advances, economic contributions and sport introduced by the British.

to deny the advances because they were put in concentration camps and such is willfully ignorant.

 

[Aghori]

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/impact-colonialism

Nice interesting read about what colonialism did for South Africa.

BTW, for those of you who fail to understand, colonialism doesnt mean Apartheid.

 

[Garson007]

Remember that colonialism is simply the expansion and setting up of colonies in another territory. There is no inherent principle that anybody must be exploited to achieve it and it might as well happen in an area that's completely uninhabited like if we were to colonise Mars. That it went down the way it did here is besides the point that colonialism can neither be blamed or praised for anything as there is nothing inherent to it. Unless your position is that the locals couldn't make it on their own, in which case colonialism was required for them to achieve anything.

Colonialism is always going to create a negative influence on the native populations and third generation colonists. Nobody likes being ruled from afar. There is nothing wrong with establishing colonies, just know that in the long term they will start revolting.

 

[RyanPCMR]

I fully support this statement made by Helen Zille.

 

[Nanfeishen]

http://www.sahistory.org.za/topic/impact-colonialism

Nice interesting read about what colonialism did for South Africa.

BTW, for those of you who fail to understand, colonialism doesnt mean Apartheid.

Interesting read, but must say it is aimed at simple minds not truth I.E.

Colonisation is the process of acquiring colonies. European powers took over land by force and then settled European people on the land. The conquered land then became known as a colony.

Completely ignores the fact that European powers bartered, traded and forged many treaties in their dealings with local tribes for permission to settle or use the land in question.

 

[etienne_marais]

Interesting read, but must say it is aimed at simple minds not truth I.E.


Completely ignores the fact that European powers bartered, traded and forged many treaties in their dealings with local tribes for permission to settle or use the land in question.

SAHistory is heavily slanted. It pretends to acknowledge British mistakes but on the whole it shows they were 'better' juxtaposed to Dutch/Afrikaners/Boers. It also falls under the broader approach of especially African decolonization that started with MacMillan in the 60's and expects Afrikaners to fall within their framework of aggressive, often despotic and unequal British tendencies in Africa and more broadly the Empire expecting a similar sorry to be alive worldview from Afrikaners, yet are rather content with the idea that the English language and English worldview/framework-of-reference and historical perspective stays the norm.

The impact of Dutch rule at the Cape

The Dutch did not actively encourage the Khoikhoi or slaves to become Christians as this would imply they were equal

The process of land dispossession by indigenous people in South Africa began soon after the arrival of the Dutch and lasted until 1994.

The impact of British rule on India

The spread of Christianity throughout the world was made possible by missionary activities. This was assisted by the expansion of European colonial empires.

Elsewhere the 1820 settlers were selected, educated stock and minimal education of natives (presented as if the norm) serves as their claim to moral supremacy while in fact the remnant of those educated by them seems to be extremely scarce, Apartheid introduced far more universities, technicons,schools and hospitals for blacks than existed previously where previously means British.

 

[C4Cat]

Interesting read, but must say it is aimed at simple minds not truth I.E.


Completely ignores the fact that European powers bartered, traded and forged many treaties in their dealings with local tribes for permission to settle or use the land in question.

I agree the European powers forged treaties, they behaved fraudulently in many other ways too. Nevertheless I would appreciate some examples of the European powers seeking permission, in good faith, with local tribes to settle or use the land in question. Also, how they managed to take ownership of land which was not considered private property when they arrived.

 

[etienne_marais]

I agree the European powers forged treaties, they behaved fraudulently in many other ways too. Nevertheless I would appreciate some examples of the European powers seeking permission, in good faith, with local tribes to settle or use the land in question. Also, how they managed to take ownership of land which was not considered private property when they arrived.

I would give examples of Boer approaches, but that would not qualify as European powers, they were not financially, military or otherwise backed by any European entity nor the Cape Colony.

 

[C4Cat]

I would give examples of Boer approaches, but that would not qualify as European powers, they were not financially, military or otherwise backed by any European entity nor the Cape Colony.

I'm interested to know more about the Boer approaches anyway.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Question for y'all - do you think all English (past and present) are responsible for all the elements of English colonialism worldwide?