Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[konfab]

Yes, and she could have done that without pointing out the positives of colonialism. She could just have said, "Hey, Singapore is doing well after colonialism, why aren't we?" etcetera. But noooo. She had to go and shine good light on colonialism.

Because the things left by colonialism were used to their country's advantage.

You want to see the difference between Singapore and South Africa?
This is from their tourist site:

Today, the statue is a national icon (the white version is popular on some cheeky souvenirs) and remains a symbol of modern Singapore.

http://www.yoursingapore.com/see-do-singapore/history/memorials/sir-raffles-statue-landing-site.html

Modern Singapore was founded in the 19th century, thanks to politics, trade and a man known as Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles.

http://www.yoursingapore.com/travel-guide-tips/about-singapore.html

 

[ponder]

Not by defending the enemy, ffs.

Where did she defend colonialism?

 

[Jola]

What's that got to do with her tweet? Stop shifting goalposts.

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You raised fixing problems. Have a short-term dementia problem ?

 

[Garson007]

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You raised fixing problems. Have a short-term dementia problem ?

Yes. I was pointing out what she should rather be doing.

The ANC should do the same. This thread is about Zille's tweet, not how terrible the ANC has been.

I've voted DA every time except once.

 

[FrankieK]

Because the things left by colonialism were used to their country's advantage.

You want to see the difference between Singapore and South Africa?
This is from their tourist site:

Yeah, they despised the colonialist Raffles so much they even named a crappy little hotel after him.

 

[etienne_marais]

By the British ending their slave trade...

Afrikaners/Boers benefited from British colonialism in various ways, there is a reason why so many in the Cape Colony respected the British and accepted loyalty. The end of the slave trade and slavery is however a bit more complicated than obstinacy for those who took on the Great Trek. In some ways the situation was the same as today with farmers, especially on the limits of the Cape Colony not receiving protection. One day they are commandeered (under British governance) for service in wars against xhosas and expanding the limits of the Colony, the next equal rights and territorial concessions are called on, then another war follows etc. There was actually a movement among Boers themselves to welcome and advance the abolition of the slavery and allegedly (have to confirm) at a point the farmers on the limits were told they had to collect compensation in London. The Great Trek had more to do with British inconsistency (and what the Boers perceived as audacity and viewing them as disposable, backward etc.) than the abolition of slavery.

 

[Willie Trombone]

Anyone want to disagree that civilization benefitted from the space race as you type up your post utilizing some sort of satellite along the way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
Thanks to a Nazi. Say what you like, you are benefitting from that tech right now.

 

[Swa]

Nothing amazing about that...

I agree. Nothing amazing about a wealthy person being able to use logic.

You have a good point right there BUT I remember, last time this year most news papers and people in SA were sure - JZ will be gone by 1st of April 2016. Guess what?

April fools?

I'm sorry, but history is /everything/. Should we still be subjected to the rule of the British empire?

History is there to learn from its mistakes, not to cling on to because you amounted to nothing in life.

 

[Garson007]

History is there to learn from its mistakes, not to cling on to because you amounted to nothing in life.

What then is the goal in life, but to guide the culture forward to future generations?

 

[Swa]

What then is the goal in life, but to guide the culture forward to future generations?

Huh?

 

[Johnatan56]

Huh?

This is why I stopped replying to him. You argue in a loop, Garson doesn't even do that, just goes completely off-topic. We just wasted 3 posts.

 

[Vrotappel]

Where the world is today comes from history. The good, the bad and the ugly.

 

[DA-LION-619]

Anyone want to disagree that civilization benefitted from the space race as you type up your post utilizing some sort of satellite along the way?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
Thanks to a Nazi. Say what you like, you are benefitting from that tech right now.

So Hitler wasn't so bad?
/s

 

[vindicem]

So Hitler wasn't so bad?
/s

Yeah there were some benefits for Germany from the Hitler era

 

[etienne_marais]

So Hitler wasn't so bad?
/s

From the perspective of Germans there were plenty of positives.

Hitler picked the country up from an economic mess, minimized usury, made extremely accessible loans available for the most needy, advanced the notion of nationhood and sovereignty, denounced everything base, promoted health and exercise, promoted the arts and culture, promoted infrastructure, development and technology etc.

I'm not listing the negatives as they are well known to everybody by now.

 

[DA-LION-619]

From the perspective of Germans there were plenty of positives.

Hitler picked the country up from an economic mess, minimized usury, made extremely accessible loans available for the most needy, advanced the notion of nationhood and sovereignty, denounced everything base, promoted health and exercise, promoted the arts and culture, promoted infrastructure, development and technology etc.

I'm not listing the negatives as they are well known to everybody by now.

Where would Germany be now without Hitler he brought all these wonderful things.

 

[etienne_marais]

Where would Germany be now without Hitler he brought all these wonderful things.

Probably under despotic Communist rule for a period with adjusted borders, but alternative entailment of history is simply too complex with all possible factors and various possible outcomes. One scenario is the rapid expansion of Communism in Europe and worldwide as was the goal of Marxists.

 

[Willie Trombone]

So Hitler wasn't so bad?
/s

Hitler was a box, but out of hardship comes...

Yeah there were some benefits for Germany from the Hitler era

Yep, by the same standards there have been benefits for South Africa from the apartheid era. Can you go on about the good that came from the struggle yet wish it had never happened? Of course, the same goes for Colonialism. Hate it all you like, but don't deny the benefits. Sure you could argue that things could have been done differently, but they weren't and no whinging is going to change that or bring those responsible back from the grave.

 

[Jola]

There is some good from everything.

Take Zuma for example, he has utterly destroyed the credibility of the ANC in the eyes of the world, and they will never recover from that, it will be a steady slide into extinction.

A bit rough for South Africans, they will suffer for the next 20 years from the damage caused by Zuma, but at least there is now the prospect of a decent multi-party democracy.

All thanks to Zuma.

 

[Garson007]

Huh?

You insulted people that appreciate history. So, I pointed out why you are wrong.

This is why I stopped replying to him. You argue in a loop, Garson doesn't even do that, just goes completely off-topic. We just wasted 3 posts.

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Where the world is today comes from history. The good, the bad and the ugly.

Indeed. One could say history is divine.