Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Sinbad]

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/documents/legacy-of-british-colonialism-had-positive-aspects


"Much of our traditional systems and institutions still carry the scars of the distortions inflicted by colonial rule.
At the same time, so much of what we have to build on in the competitive modern world is also the result of what we could gain from that interaction and engagement with Britain."

 

[Willie Trombone]

^^ Suggesting that these systems were designed purely to disadvantage people and that that was the only intention is plain wrong, whatever the outcome. I have no doubt some greedy people were in charge... how is that different from what we see (and can influence today)?

We'll be having these same conversations about the current regime in future. Everyone thinks they have the answer.

 

[etienne_marais]

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/documents/legacy-of-british-colonialism-had-positive-aspects

So Mandela can basically say there were positive aspects but Zille may not

 

[Willie Trombone]

So Mandela can basically say there were positive aspects but Zille may not

According to Maimane, yes. The conversation would make more sense if it went along the lines of 'it's a bit insensitive' (whether you agree with it or not). Instead, the sheeple are frothing at the mouth.

 

[Garson007]

So Mandela can basically say there were positive aspects but Zille may not

Context is everything. Nowhere in that speech did Mandela try and defend colonialism. He merely stated history.

I honestly can't understand how people can't see that Zille is narrating.

 

[Pox]

Context is everything. Nowhere in that speech did Mandela try and defend colonialism. He merely stated history.

I honestly can't understand how people can't see that Zille is narrating.

Nowhere in Zille's tweet did she try and defend colonialism. She merely stated history (more specifically Singapore's history).

 

[Garson007]

Nowhere in Zille's tweet did she try and defend colonialism. She merely stated history (more specifically Singapore's history).

"For those claiming legacy of colonialism was ONLY negative‚" That's an attack on some invisible enemy. In return she must be defending something. "think of our independent judiciary‚ transport infrastructure‚ piped water etc‚" Ah yeah, defending colonialism because it brought us benefits.

The tweet could have been written so much better.

 

[etienne_marais]

"For those claiming legacy of colonialism was ONLY negative‚" That's an attack on some invisible enemy. In return she must be defending something. "think of our independent judiciary‚ transport infrastructure‚ piped water etc‚" Ah yeah, defending colonialism because it brought us benefits.

The tweet could have been written so much better.

 

[crysis]

Nowhere in Zille's tweet did she try and defend colonialism. She merely stated history (more specifically Singapore's history).

There's no point in even engaging with Garson007. He/She is stuck in their ways. Don't expect anything constructive or new coming out of that profile.

 

[Garson007]

There's no point in even engaging with Garson007. He/She is stuck in their ways. Don't expect anything constructive or new coming out of that profile.

https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=24833

 

[Pox]

There's no point in even engaging with Garson007. He/She is stuck in their ways. Don't expect anything constructive or new coming out of that profile.

"context is everything"... Proceedes to ignore context.

 

[Garson007]

I bet you guys also thought Clinton did nothing wrong with her basket of deplorables comment. :crylaugh:

 

[crysis]

I bet you guys also thought Clinton did nothing wrong with her basket of deplorables comment. :crylaugh:

I bet you think trump is awesome. :crylaugh:

This is garson logic: Hates SJW's. Is an SJW himself. Go figure.

 

[konfab]

I bet you guys also thought Clinton did nothing wrong with her basket of deplorables comment. :crylaugh:

She is perfectly fine to believe that 31 million Americans can be classified as "deplorable".

The better comparison would be to compare it with Mitt Romney's 47% comment:
He said:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said in the video. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.

"And I mean the president starts out with 48, 49 percent … he starts off with a huge number," Romney continued. "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

His comment was correct. Both in terms of the numbers and the message. But it was politically incorrect to point it out.

 

[Garson007]

She is perfectly fine to believe that 31 million Americans can be classified as "deplorable".

The better comparison would be to compare it with Mitt Romney's 47% comment:
He said:

His comment was correct. Both in terms of the numbers and the message. But it was politically incorrect to point it out.

They're both similar. All of them insulted the citizens of the country.

I disagree with his numbers. 47% believe they are entitled to government welfare? That's insulting.

 

[Jola]

47% believe they are entitled to government welfare? That's insulting.

That is probably much less than it would be in this country.

 

[daveza]

So after 600+ posts, was colonialism all bad ?

 

[Pitbull]

So after 600+ posts, was colonialism all bad ?

Anyone who believes it was all bad have their heads up their arses. Facts are facts. Sure just like apartheid it was about 99.99% evil, but it left good things behind. Arguing against that is just stupid.

 

[vindicem]

So after 600+ posts, was colonialism all bad ?

Man tbh it was mostly bad, implying that the balance was good. Percentage comparisons I'm not willing to make One question though; How long would it have taken for KFC to arrive if colonialism never took place in SA?

 

[Patrick_Hockstetter]

So after 600+ posts, was colonialism all bad ?

Some bad some good.

About 50 50.