Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Nerfherder]

Anyone who believes it was all bad have their heads up their arses. Facts are facts. Sure just like apartheid it was about 99.99% evil, but it left good things behind. Arguing against that is just stupid.

Na there was nothing good about Apartheid. The good things that happened were despite apartheid.

 

[vindicem]

Anyone who believes it was all bad have their heads up their arses. Facts are facts. Sure just like apartheid it was about 99.99% evil, but it left good things behind. Arguing against that is just stupid.

Rian Malan noted that based on studies done worldwide on colonialism and the time thereafter, our previously disadvantaged fellow souf efricans might not see your point Pitbul, not yet anyway..

 

[Pitbull]

Some bad some good.

About 50 50.

No way I would ever say 50-50.

Just like WW2, worse thing to have happened but also brought us so many great innovations and inventions. So 100% bad, but also brought some very great things

 

[vindicem]

Na there was nothing good about Apartheid. The good things that happened were despite apartheid.

Pitbull never mentioned Apartheid. Apartheid was the bad part of colonialism which is what you're saying.

 

[daveza]

So based on the last few replies Helen was correct in her statement.

 

[Pitbull]

So based on the last few replies Helen was correct in her statement.

Ofc she was, but you need 1 brain cell to understand it. Probably not smart given our political climate to state the obvious... but she said nothing wrong.

 

[Nerfherder]

Pitbull never mentioned Apartheid. Apartheid was the bad part of colonialism which is what you're saying.

Quote Originally Posted by Pitbull View Post
Anyone who believes it was all bad have their heads up their arses. Facts are facts. Sure just like apartheid it was about 99.99% evil, but it left good things behind. Arguing against that is just stupid.

vindicem never read.

 

[Swa]

You insulted people that appreciate history. So, I pointed out why you are wrong.

No I don't. You can appreciate history without being stuck in it or denying aspects of it.

 

[noxibox]

The better comparison would be to compare it with Mitt Romney's 47% comment:
He said:

His comment was correct. Both in terms of the numbers and the message. But it was politically incorrect to point it out.

His comment was wrong and his numbers, either through ignorance or dishonesty, obscured the facts of what was really going on. It wasn't politically incorrect, merely foolish, because his claims were quickly broken down and correctly discredited.

I disagree with his numbers. 47% believe they are entitled to government welfare? That's insulting.

The number is basically bullsh*t. The truth is that that isn't the number of people who think they're entitled to welfare, but only those that pay no federal income tax. Most of those don't because they earn very and it was in fact conservatives who put the policies in place to encourage those people to work or because they are elderly and live on small incomes.

In fact in the US the real sense of entitlement is amongst the rich and corporations. The little people paying no federal income tax have incomes so small it makes no sense to tax them and push them over the line of being self-sufficient. Probably difficult for a fat cat like Romney to comprehend.

 

[Swa]

His comment was wrong and his numbers, either through ignorance or dishonesty, obscured the facts of what was really going on. It wasn't politically incorrect, merely foolish, because his claims were quickly broken down and correctly discredited.


The number is basically bullsh*t. The truth is that that isn't the number of people who think they're entitled to welfare, but only those that pay no federal income tax. Most of those don't because they earn very and it was in fact conservatives who put the policies in place to encourage those people to work or because they are elderly and live on small incomes.

In fact in the US the real sense of entitlement is amongst the rich and corporations. The little people paying no federal income tax have incomes so small it makes no sense to tax them and push them over the line of being self-sufficient. Probably difficult for a fat cat like Romney to comprehend.

This gets me thinking though. 47% don't pay tax yet most Americans are still living comfortably and even buying luxuries. Their tax threshold must be a lot higher relatively than ours.

 

[Johnatan56]

This gets me thinking though. 47% don't pay tax yet most Americans are still living comfortably and even buying luxuries. Their tax threshold must be a lot higher relatively than ours.

Here: https://www.irs.com/articles/projected-us-tax-rates-2016

 

[Knyro]

Here: https://www.irs.com/articles/projected-us-tax-rates-2016

Their taxable income starts at $0, which means that everybody that has a job pays tax, unless I'm missing something.

EDIT:

Ah I see they have a standard deduction over there. And they probably pay other taxes besides federal income tax.

 

[Johnatan56]

Their taxable income starts at $0, which means that everybody that has a job pays tax, unless I'm missing something.

EDIT:

Ah I see they have a standard deduction over there. And they probably pay other taxes besides federal income tax.

Yes. https://www.irs.com/articles/income-tax

 

[TheChamp]

Zille past her shelf life - DA veteran Douglas Gibson

Helen Zille’s shelf life is over, and it is time to retire, says DA veteran Douglas Gibson. Gibson, a former DA chief whip until he was appointed as ambassador of Thailand in 2007, this week weighed in on the DA’s internal turmoil as the party considered the future of its former leader.

DA leader Mmusi Maimane recently announced disciplinary proceedings would be taken against Zille over her controversial tweets on colonialism. Gibson who first penned his thoughts on Facebook later told Media24 that he believed that Maimane did the right thing.

“I’m very irritated. South Africa is at a major crisis point. This debate is an absolute waste of time and energy at a time when we should be debating our future rather than how to make a better past.”

Gibson said he had always supported Zille, before, during and after her leadership, and the whole issue saddens him. “Much as it pains me to say so as someone who supported her before during and after her leadership, she does not realise that she has overstayed her shelf life. Time to retire. It is a rare quality in a leader to know when to go and while exercising your right to speak, you also exercise your right to keep quiet.”

He said he didn’t know or quite understand why she felt the merits of colonialism were relevant now. “But this isn’t an issue of freedom of expression. Of course she can say whatever she wants, but it has consequences.” He said the party’s rules were applicable to everyone.

“Substitute the word apartheid for the word colonialism. Would a sensible senior politician be so tone deaf as to tweet that because of all the houses built in Soweto and because it gave us Sun City, apartheid had positive aspects? Some white people might agree; few black people would agree. Most people would see that as a defence of apartheid.”

http://city-press.news24.com/News/zille-past-her-shelf-life-da-veteran-douglas-gibson-20170404

 

[Swa]

lol

 

[Patrick_Hockstetter]

Zille past her shelf life - DA veteran Douglas Gibson

“Substitute the word apartheid for the word colonialism. Would a sensible senior politician be so tone deaf as to tweet that because of all the houses built in Soweto and because it gave us Sun City, apartheid had positive aspects? Some white people might agree; few black people would agree. Most people would see that as a defence of apartheid.”

http://city-press.news24.com/News/zille-past-her-shelf-life-da-veteran-douglas-gibson-20170404

There probably were positive aspects during the apartheid era. Although apartheid itself, many people would disagree with.

Doug is wrong. Telling the truth no matter what matters. Never apologise. Trump proves this principle.

Politicians need to realise Trump changed politics/lying.

 

[TheChamp]

There probably were positive aspects during the apartheid era. Although apartheid itself, many people would disagree with.

Doug is wrong. Telling the truth no matter what matters. Never apologise. Trump proves this principle.

Politicians need to realise Trump changed politics/lying.

It seems to be working wonders for Zille, all her supporters are up in arms even going as far as talking about an impending split in the DA, some even vowing never to vote for DA.

 

[Patrick_Hockstetter]

It seems to be working wonders for Zille all his supporters are up in arms even going as far as talking about an impending split in the DA, some even vowing never to vote for DA.

South Africans still want to be lied to or they want politicians to sugarcoat the truth.

 

[TheChamp]

South Africans still want to be lied to or they want politicians to sugarcoat the truth.

Or South Africans are just not interested in politicians who are going out of their way to find creative ways to justify oppressive concepts like colonialism and apartheid.

Douglas is right, she must go rest, I don't remember Tony second guessing her every step of the way when she was toy toying and dancing to Vulindlela, why does it seems like she Is having a hard time affording the same courtesy to Maimane?

 

[Patrick_Hockstetter]

Or South Africans are just not interested in politicians who are going out of their way to find creative ways to justify oppressive concepts like colonialism and apartheid.

Douglas is right, she must go rest, I don't remember Tony second guessing her every step of the way when she was toy toying and dancing to Vulindlela, why does it seems like she Is having a hard time affording the same courtesy to Maimane?

Maimane is young.