Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[MickeyD]

Aside from gold, diamonds, land, people and freedom.
Not sure what you mean by 'modern education', I got the same education you got.

There was no electricity in the home, the townships just had huge streetlights, also communal taps for water, no sewerage pipes and the so called 'homelands' were not electrified, had no proper roads or anything. The British were the exploitation colonialists here and I am a 'whitey' so your statement makes no sense.

Your generalisations are wrong.

 

[C4Cat]

Your generalisations are wrong.

Thanks for your insight and corrections here

 

[MickeyD]

Thanks for your insight and corrections here

You are inferring that there was NO electricity in any township homes anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were ONLY huge streetlights in all the townships in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were ONLY communal taps in all the townships in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were NO sewerage pipes in any township homes anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there was NO electricity in any of the homelands anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were NO proper roads in any of the homelands anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

 

[C4Cat]

You are inferring that there was NO electricity in any township homes anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were ONLY huge streetlights in all the townships in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were ONLY communal taps in all the townships in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were NO sewerage pipes in any township homes anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there was NO electricity in any of the homelands anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

You are inferring that there were NO proper roads in any of the homelands anywhere in South Africa. Rubbish.

Nope, all that I mentioned was the reality for the vast majority of people so my generalisations are accurate. There were exceptions of course and some public places had electricity but it would have been very unusual in a person's home. The townships were extremely underdeveloped compared to the 'suburbs' where white people lived and the homelands were not developed at all

 

[MickeyD]

Nope, all that I mentioned was the reality for the vast majority of people so my generalisations are accurate. There were exceptions of course and some public places had electricity but it would have been very unusual in a person's home

Again, semantics.

Not ALL... you have now changed your tune to "vast majority".

Did you ever travel through, or stay, in any of the TBVC 'states'?

 

[MickeyD]

the homelands were not developed at all

Late edits...

You have made another blanket statement. See my question above.

 

[Vrotappel]

Nope, all that I mentioned was the reality for the vast majority of people so my generalisations are accurate. There were exceptions of course and some public places had electricity but it would have been very unusual in a person's home. The townships were extremely underdeveloped compared to the 'suburbs' where white people lived and the homelands were not developed at all

Like SA most of your posts are junk. When presented with facts you just simply ignore. I asked you about the colonisers prior to 1652 and you simply ignore that fact as it does not fit in with your worldview.

 

[Oppiekoffie]

Quote theChamp .
Or South Africans are just not interested in politicians who are going out of their way to find creative ways to justify oppressive concepts like colonialism and apartheid.

Douglas is right, she must go rest, I don't remember Tony second guessing her every step of the way when she was toy toying and dancing to Vulindlela, why does it seems like she Is having a hard time affording the same courtesy to Maimane?

Yet you enjoy about everything that those two "oppressive" concepts developed. Too lekker to get rid of those. Power stations built during apartheid? You use that electricity, roads built, you use them, many many many other things were built here during those times, the food you eat probably also comes from that era. You actually still want to live. Nothing wrong with benefitting from what apartheid produced, built and developed you hypocrite. Crybaby.

 

[Patrick_Hockstetter]

Trump never insulted the electorate directly, iirc.

He did insult the Dems, which made/make a sizable grouping.

 

[Seriously]

Not sure what you mean by 'modern education', I got the same education you got.

Not sure of that "fact" based on reading your posts and considering your perceived mindset from them.

 

[Swa]

Aside from gold, diamonds, land, people and freedom.

And who knew about that gold and diamonds? Certainly not the 'indigenous' people.

Land was being fought over when they arrived. Again what gives one race claim over land over another? If we were to give it back to those it truly belonged to most of us wouldn't be on the winning side.

If you think freedom is something that existed prior to 1652 you should take another look at history. Real history, not revisionist history. Tribes were being enslaved way before the white man arrived. The real slaves were not actually from the old Southern Africa and they are rather proud of their heritage, from January through to December.

Not sure what you mean by 'modern education', I got the same education you got.

Doubt it since mine started way before 'the struggle' and taught who the real settlers and indigenous are. If we got the same education you are certainly ignorant of the one you received. But I still doubt it as this is the same distorted 'history' I see from my nieces who got their education after 2000.

There was no electricity in the home, the townships just had huge streetlights, also communal taps for water, no sewerage pipes and the so called 'homelands' were not electrified, had no proper roads or anything. The British were the exploitation colonialists here and I am a 'whitey' so your statement makes no sense.

Well it was being provided to townships prior to 1992 whether you want to believe it or not. You should consider that most townships weren't formally under municipalities so it's a tricky situation how services should have been provided. Eskom was going after economics and who could pay for it but it was certainly not something they reserved for whites only. This is a convenient part that gets ignored.

You're also leaving out who it was that developed this infrastructure. If you build something you're going to provide for your own people first. Why didn't the black communities build and provide for themselves rather than complain over what they didn't get? And while we're on this subject, are you aware how many farms and plots also didn't have electricity, water and sewerage? Who do you think were against them if we were to follow your reasoning here?

My statement makes perfect sense as it doesn't matter what race you are, if you're not Khoi or San your are a colonialist. And if we go further back even they are colonialists so where are we supposed to place the cutoff point?

 

[yebocan]

The storm over her tweets about the legacy of colonialism is a symptom of a new racist trend that evades the real issues by turning whites into scapegoats, writes Helen Zille

Last week, in the Sunday Times's most prominently placed opinion piece, Professor Charles Ngwena offers "brotherly advice" and asks me to respond frankly to two questions.

Today I answer them in good faith, then pose a few questions of my own.

Professor Ngwena asks what Sharpeville means to me.

The massacre of 69 people protesting the pass laws, in March 1960 (shortly after I turned nine), is among my earliest political memories.

It revealed the brutal force required to keep people in subjugation, and was one of the reasons I have spent my entire life opposing injustice and working for an open and equal democracy.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundayti...ing-cancer-destroys-SA-from-within-says-Zille

 

[yebocan]

DA threatens to charge Zille over water colonialism tweets

The Democratic Alliance’s Federal Executive has written a letter to Western Cape Premier Helen Zille warning her to stop tweeting about colonialism or she will once again be charged for tweeting positively about the legacy of colonisation.

Zille ignited outrage on Twitter after she responded to citizens’ concerns over the Cape drought by praising colonialism for providing piped water.

https://mg.co.za/article/2018-01-30-da-threatens-to-charge-zille-over-water-colonialism-tweets

MAIMANE SLAMS ZILLE’S ‘COLONIAL WATER PIPING’ TWEET

CAPE TOWN - Democratic Alliance (DA) leader Mmusi Maimane says Western Cape Premier Helen Zille’s latest comment on 'colonial water piping' is unacceptable.

Zille was responding to a tweet earlier this week where a user said black people have been experiencing day zero since birth.

The premier hit back with a tweet saying; “It must be a relief that you weren’t burdened by the legacy of a colonial water piping system”.

It’s been reported the DA federal executive has sent Zille a letter advising her to stop tweeting about colonialism, an issue that’s landed her in hot seater before.

http://ewn.co.za/2018/01/31/maimane-slams-zille-s-colonial-water-piping-tweet

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

DA threatens to charge Zille over water colonialism tweets

LMAO ok now she's just deliberately trolling them, go for it Zille!

 

[Knyro]

FFS again. This women will never learn.

Way to alienate your voters, moron.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

/cue more trendy, faux outrage

 

[Knyro]

LMAO ok now she's just deliberately trolling them, go for it Zille!

Yep trolling is exactly what the DA, and SA need, not to actually grow the voter base large enough to one day have a chance of unseating the ANC.

 

[ProfA]

FFS again. This women will never learn.

Way to alienate your voters, moron.

This ^. What an imbecile.

 

[yebocan]

FFS again. This women will never learn.

Way to alienate your voters, moron.

Helen making sure that the outcome of 2019 is decided well in advance.

 

[rietrot]

It's quite sad that she has the balls to say what needs to be said and put this entitled idiots in their place, but now the DA want to take action against her.
They shouldn't mistake their voter base for a few ANC plants on twitter. Black people voting DA aren't that stupid, they're pandering to idiots and it's going to cost them.