Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[ProfA]

but it was better in the old days

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[ProfA]

What kind of a stupid comment is this. I don't expect any black person to be thankful for apartheid and the very mild cruelty in it, it was a stupid and morally wrong system that went on far to long.

You should be thankful though that we chose to end it peacefully in '92

So easy to say "mildly". Wonder why?

 

[saturnz]

For the whites, yes.

white lives matter

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[ProfA]

white lives matter



I tal ics like ic is

ahhhh troll.

 

[rietrot]

So easy to say "mildly". Wonder why?

Its an honest assessment if you look at the other really cruel stuff people have done to each other throughout history.

 

[Urist]

here`s another post in this thread from someone with no reputation points

 

[Craig_]

It was an example to show a flaw in the logic that people seem to be applying. You don't have to experience a calamity to have sympathy for people who regularly experience it. What the person in the tweet was implying , was that it was a good thing that people who pay for water have to experience the wonders of not having piped water. You make a comment like that, you deserve to get shot down with the cold truth.

She is a "leader" in the opposition party, it's not her job to dish out justice on twitter, she should leave to those that miss apartheid such as yourself. And pointing it out does not mean you are enjoying the calamity of others.

What kind of a stupid comment is this. I don't expect any black person to be thankful for apartheid and the very mild cruelty in it, it was a stupid and morally wrong system that went on far to long.

You should be thankful though that we chose to end it peacefully in '92

You waiting for a "dankie baas"?

There are way worse things that have happened, so the words used depends one your scale of measurement. It was a crime against humanity, but there are far worse crimes against humanity that left millions dead, and being dead is the worst thing.

So you are saying they"should just get over it"?

 

[Craig_]

Its an honest assessment if you look at the other really cruel stuff people have done to each other throughout history.

Not really, how would you feel if someone tell you to just get over farm attacks, I mean, worst things have happened in the past?

 

[Aghori]

Don't feed the troll, Rietrot seems to be in a foul mood today.

 

[rietrot]

Not really, how would you feel if someone tell you to just get over farm attacks, i mean, worst things have happened in the past?

That's still ongoing, that's still wrong and some of the torture is pretty high up there on the list of cruelty.

I expect those responsible to receive justice for their crimes, and I feel the same about all crimes.

 

[Craig_]

That's still ongoing, that's still wrong and some of the torture is pretty high up there on the list of cruelty.

I expect those responsible to receive justice for their crimes, and I feel the same about all crimes.

Apartheid was a crime, and you obviously feel zero for the victims of that, in fact,, you feel they should be grateful it ended. And going on your attitude, even though it is ongoing, worse has happened in the past, has it not? Concentration camps and what not?

 

[rietrot]

Apartheid was a crime, and you obviously feel zero for the victims of that, in fact,, you feel they should be grateful it ended. And going on your attitude, even though it is ongoing, worse has happened in the past, has it not? Concentration camps and what not?

I would be greatful for any crime that ends. I don't see why the victims of apartheid should feel differently. If we could end theft or murder tomorrow, I would be extremely grateful.
It's probably their right to feel bitter and angry if they want, but their own lifes will improve if they get over it.

Due process was followed, we had the TRC and those found guilty of some wrongdoing were rightfully punished. Others on both sides got amnesty. That's finalised.

 

[Craig_]

I would be greatful for any crime that ends. I don't see why the victims of apartheid should feel differently. If we could end theft or murder tomorrow, I would be extremely grateful.
It's probably their right to feel bitter and angry if they want, but their own lifes will improve if they get over it.

Due process was followed, we had the TRC and those found guilty of some wrongdoing were rightfully punished. Others on both sides got amnesty. That's finalised.

For many it is not. It will take generations to get over the effects from apartheid.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

Not really, how would you feel if someone tell you to just get over farm attacks, I mean, worst things have happened in the past?

We can't change the past. There is no use dwelling on it. What we should try and accomplish, is stop evil from happening now, and prevent it happening in future.
Constantly complaining about the bad that happened during apartheid does about as much good as it would to complain about the concentration camps the boers where kept in during the anglo boer war.
Righting the wrongs, where possible and feasible, is different from complaining.

It is also just as useless about arguing what the benefits of colonialism were. I don't particularly care about where the roads came from or where piped water came from. I care about that it is here now, that it is expanded and maintained, and what can be created to it to improve people's lives.

 

[Craig_]

A bitter person is a broken person. Nobody can ever be a whole, happy or healthy person if they walk around with bitterness. It is ultimately self defeating.

This is also true for a bitter people or nation.

True, but if someone related to or responsible for whatever caused the bitterness tells you to just get over it, it isn't really helping is it?

 

[konfab]

She is a "leader" in the opposition party, it's not her job to dish out justice on twitter,

She is simply reponding to morons making stupid comments on Twitter

She should leave to those that miss apartheid such as yourself.

Translation:
Me: Zille was correct in shutting down an idiot comparing her situation to colonialism by pointing out that before colonialism there wasn't any water either.
You: So you are saying I miss apartheid.

And pointing it out does not mean you are enjoying the calamity of others.

That wasn't the point. The person pointing it out was saying it was a good thing, that doesn't mean they have to enjoy it.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

Translation:
Me: Zille was correct in shutting down an idiot comparing her situation to colonialism by pointing out that before colonialism there wasn't any water either.
You: So you are saying

 

[konfab]

True, but if someone related to or responsible for whatever caused the bitterness tells you to just get over it, it isn't really helping is it?

So I can now hold all black people responsible for all farm murders. Great stuff. I can also hold all black people responsible for HIV/AIDs/Stealing a good portion of my wealth every month etc.

Nothing good has ever come from group guilt. Humanity has a long sad history of it.

 

[Craig_]

So I can now hold all black people responsible for all farm murders. Great stuff. I can also hold all black people responsible for HIV/AIDs/Stealing a good portion of my wealth every month etc.

Nothing good has ever come from group guilt. Humanity has a long sad history of it.

Well, while all or most whites benefited from apartheid, not all blacks benefit from crime.

Edit:

I can also hold all black people responsible for HIV/AIDsc

What is this supposed to mean, you are a big fool if you think only blacks has aids.

 

[Deadmanza]

Well, while all or most whites benefited from apartheid, not all blacks benefit from crime.