Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Pitbull]

Wait, anyone have the context or precluding posts by the person Helen replied to? Are is that not important to this discussion?

 

[porchrat]

Why would there not have been intent, you want to tell me they whites couldn't see something was wrong?

I was 8. By saying I was complicit you're saying I had intent. You're saying that an 8 year old held the intent to oppress an entire racial group.

 

[Ho3n3r]

I was 8. By saying I was complicit you're saying I had intent. You're saying that an 8 year old held the intent to oppress an entire racial group.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Wait, anyone have the context or precluding posts by the person Helen replied to? Are is that not important to this discussion?

The article seems to have her saying completely different words to the screenshot of the tweet so who knows what what tbh

 

[Temujin]

Wait, anyone have the context or precluding posts by the person Helen replied to? Are is that not important to this discussion?

Its not important, shes white, therefore racist wanting apartheid back, she's hurting feelings, and making people look stupid to their followers textbook nazi

 

[TysonRoux]

Apartheid was a crime, and you obviously feel zero for the victims of that, in fact,, you feel they should be grateful it ended. And going on your attitude, even though it is ongoing, worse has happened in the past, has it not? Concentration camps and what not?

Agreed, apartheid was criminal and I can't speak for everyone, but I do feel for the victims.

Any chance you can forecast when we'll no longer have "victims" of apartheid among us?

 

[Craig_]

Agreed, apartheid was criminal and I can't speak for everyone, but I do feel for the victims.

Any chance you can forecast when we'll no longer have "victims" of apartheid among us?

Well, as long as it takes the "victims" to recover. How long, I don't know.

 

[TysonRoux]

Well, as long as it takes the "victims" to recover. How long, I don't know.

That gives the impression that it's going to be used indefinitely, just like Zuma blames the ANC corruption on apartheid.

The number of "victims" cant live forever, so you should be able to forecast when they'll all be dead and gone, and surely that would be an appropriate time to put an end to the claims of "apartheid victim".

 

[konfab]

Why would there not have been intent, you want to tell me they whites couldn't see something was wrong?

You are missing out on the historical context. If the whites had handed over power when the Soviet Union was still in power, South Africa would have gone down the route of Mozambique.

Soon after independence, FRELIMO announced Mozambique's transformation into a socialist one-party-state. This was accompanied by crackdowns on dissidents and the nationalization of important branches.[13] The leaders of the PCN, a new party in favour of multi-party-governance founded by prominent FRELIMO dissidents, were arrested and convicted in show trials. They were later extrajudicially executed.

Furthermore, nationalization of many Portuguese-owned enterprises, fear of retaliation among Whites, and an ultimatum to either choose Mozambican citizenship or leave the country within 90 days, drove the majority of the 370,000 White Portuguese Mozambicans out of the country. This resulted in economic collapse and chaos, as only few Africans had received higher education or even primary education under Portuguese rule.[13]
Overturning of traditional hierarchies and re-education camps

As a revolutionary Marxist party, FRELIMO embarked on overturning traditional governance structures in order to gain full control over every aspect of society. Therefore, local chiefs were ousted and thousands of dissidents were imprisoned in so called re-education camps.[14] Another source of conflict was the continuation of the aldeamento system that the Portuguese had introduced as a means of exerting control and inhibiting contact between the population and the rebels. It forced the rural populace to move into central communal villages, the aldeamentos. FRELIMO hoped that this system would enable the fulfillment of its agricultural development goals, but its implementation alienated the rural population. This was especially the case in central and northern Mozambique, where households are traditionally separated by considerable distances.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambican_Civil_War
That was in 1975. And you wonder why white people chose to stick with the devil they knew? Especially since the ANC were not that much different from FRELIMO.

These guys on this forum are quick to claim the positives when they say whites invented so many things, and quick to point out the benefits of apartheid, but always denies the negative is applicable to them.

Collectively white people don't claim anything material from the positives they bought from the country (I don't get a monthly dividend from the white patent on South African water pipes), yet you want white people to collectively pay a material amount for the negatives that they imposed. That is not a particularly logical position.

 

[saturnz]

That gives the impression that it's going to be used indefinitely, just like Zuma blames the ANC corruption on apartheid.

well as long as fiat currency and the current form of democracy is in play, then yes the effects of apartheid will take sometime to reverse

 

[SmartKit]

That gives the impression that it's going to be used indefinitely, just like Zuma blames the ANC corruption on apartheid.

The number of "victims" cant live forever, so you should be able to forecast when they'll all be dead and gone, and surely that would be an appropriate time to put an end to the claims of "apartheid victim".

Slavery in the US is still an excuse - 150 years later. So sure, why not, it's easier than taking responsibility for your own future.

 

[SmartKit]

You are missing out on the historical context. If the whites had handed over power when the Soviet Union was still in power, South Africa would have gone down the route of Mozambique.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambican_Civil_War
That was in 1975. And you wonder why white people chose to stick with the devil they knew? Especially since the ANC were not that much different from FRELIMO.




Collectively white people don't claim anything material from the positives they bought from the country (I don't get a monthly dividend from the white patent on South African water pipes), yet you want white people to collectively pay a material amount for the negatives that they imposed. That is not a particularly logical position.

Oh but often we do - 41% income tax + 14% VAT + 15% retirement (not provided for in our taxation) + 10% medical aid (not provided for in our taxation) = 80% of everything we earn! Talk about a s**t ROI.

 

[Craig_]

Oh but often we do - 41% income tax + 14% VAT + 15% retirement (not provided for in our taxation) + 10% medical aid (not provided for in our taxation) = 80% of everything we earn! Talk about a s**t ROI.

That's the rate for all high earning SA citizens, not just whites.

 

[saturnz]

Slavery in the US is still an excuse - 150 years later. So sure, why not, it's easier than taking responsibility for your own future.

that's probably because slavery still exists in the US, some 150 years later

 

[Sinbad]

 

[azbob]

That's the rate for all high earning SA citizens, not just whites.

What? Only whites pay taxes to the government. The only tax black people pay is to support their family and extended family.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Agreed, apartheid was criminal and I can't speak for everyone, but I do feel for the victims. I

Any chance you can forecast when we'll no longer have "victims" of apartheid among us?

Not until we have a new political order. It is an easy excuse. They are still blaming the French in Haiti after they got independence from Napoleon. This is the sign of a ****hole country.

 

[ponder]

Not until we have a new political order. It is an easy excuse. They are still blaming the French in Haiti after they got independence from Napoleon. This is the sign of a ****hole country.

That was 214 years ago, so this schite will basically never stop...

 

[TysonRoux]

Well, as long as it takes the "victims" to recover. How long, I don't know.

That gives the impression that it's going to be used indefinitely, just like Zuma blames the ANC corruption on apartheid.

The number of "victims" cant live forever, so you should be able to forecast when they'll all be dead and gone, and surely that would be an appropriate time to put an end to the claims of "apartheid victim".

Police confirm another school torched in Vuwani

Shondoni Secondary School has become the latest building to be burnt with at least 30 others gutted during protests in the area in 2016.

Limpopo police have confirmed that yet another school has been torched in Vuwani.

Shondoni Secondary School has become the latest building to be burnt with at least 30 others gutted during protests in the area in 2016.

Police’s Motlafela Mojapelo says the suspects broke open the burglar doors of the admin block and then set the building alight.

He says the motive of the attack is still unknown.

"Anyone with information is requested to contact Brigadier James Espag at 082 576 0753 or call the police emergency number 086 10 111."

Apartheid to blame

 

[saturnz]

Police confirm another school torched in Vuwani

that's not all bad, atleast now the kids have longer holidays