Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Techne]

that's not all bad, atleast now the kids have longer holidays

And a new straaagal to keep them busy and help with the revalushianary kwaito lyrics.

 

[Grant]

Lol if some "swing voters" don't want to vote for the DA over a tweet, then I'm unsure that is an actual loss.

it's not about "swing voters".
like many others, i witness the growing complacency and ineptitude that has taken hold in wc govt - and i do so on a weekly basis via different departments i have the misfortune of having to deal with - it is widespread and i am unimpressed, exceedingly unimpressed.

the next elections should bring a few surprises especially in my neck of the woods populated by extremely fickle & "entitled" voters, the kind of voters who would take votes elsewhere, not because another party may be more appealing, but as a means of punishing & sending a sharp lesson in respect to an increasingly incompetent democratic alliance.

zille needs to move on, she's way beyond her "best before" date.
maimane is little more than a talking head.
da trying to use anc national govt as a useful idiot in an attempt to divert attention from thier own breathtaking failures does not help.

simply put, whatever they are now selling - we're not buying - the product is stale, going bad and should be removed from the shelf.

 

[Knyro]

And a new straaagal to keep them busy and help with the revalushianary kwaito lyrics.

Kwaito? Jesus what year are you living in?

 

[C4Cat]

Agreed, apartheid was criminal and I can't speak for everyone, but I do feel for the victims.

Any chance you can forecast when we'll no longer have "victims" of apartheid among us?

It will take another generation before they are all dead...

 

[Vrotappel]

that's not all bad, atleast now the kids have longer holidays

Freedom achieved.

 

[Vrotappel]

it's not about "swing voters".
like many others, i witness the growing complacency and ineptitude that has taken hold in wc govt - and i do so on a weekly basis via different departments i have the misfortune of having to deal with - it is widespread and i am unimpressed, exceedingly unimpressed.

the next elections should bring a few surprises especially in my neck of the woods populated by extremely fickle & "entitled" voters, the kind of voters who would take votes elsewhere, not because another party may be more appealing, but as a means of punishing & sending a sharp lesson in respect to an increasingly incompetent democratic alliance.

zille needs to move on, she's way beyond her "best before" date.
maimane is little more than a talking head.
da trying to use anc national govt as a useful idiot in an attempt to divert attention from thier own breathtaking failures does not help.

simply put, whatever they are now selling - we're not buying - the product is stale, going bad and should be removed from the shelf.

Everything in this country is falling apart, that the normal African evolutionary process. We need more Zilles and fewer figureheads like Maimane. Pandering to the lowest denominator will only take this country down.

 

[Swa]

Obviously the can’t win NOW, but the sooner they start growing the voter base the better, Zille is setting them back years.

Maimane set them back years, not because he's black but because they've taken a new direction on somebody with no backbone. Trying to grow the voter base is exactly where they've went wrong. They no longer stand for anything concrete but go with whatever they think will gain them some support at the time.

DA unseating the ANC and becoming the government is also the last thing I would ever want or need. South Africa's past both under NAT and ANC rule has shown us no party should ever have a controlling say.

Common sense doesn't offend people needlessly.
We all know what colonialism built, but we also know at what price.
The pipes are there, what good is it going to do harping on where they came from?
Is she going to ask the colonials to expand the pipe network? To upgrade the system? The fix the water problems?
No? So then why even bring it up? What point could it serve other than to remind people of a painful past?

Because we have an element which can't seem to accept that it didn't only bring bad things for PREVIOUS generations. Colonialism shouldn't even be an issue but sadly some would try to destroy every colonial element not realising they'd then also have to go back to being hunter gatherers and fighting tribal wars. Or perhaps they actually know this which is why they wage twitter wars to try and stop any such debate.

You can’t seriously think that the DA has no chance of winning EVER do you? That’s just ridiculous.

They don't. You're assuming that everyone who doesn't vote ANC will vote DA but they are more than likely to go to other parties and many stop voting altogether. The best the DA could hope for is being the majority in a coalition government. If all it takes is some tweeting to in your words "set them back years" then they didn't have solid principles to win it in the first place.

The colonial dogs are not only sleeping, they've been buried for decades.
There is no point to dragging up the benefits of conolialism.
Especially when colonialism isn't going to rise from the grave to save you in this present crisis.

The same is true for bringing up "injustices" of the past that happened to people you didn't even know. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

So in your opinion, your ancestors suffered more than victims of apartheid?

It's relative. Some did and some didn't but it would be fake outrage if I brought up something under different conditions now over something that didn't happen to me with people that had nothing to do with it.

:erm: Seriously?

Do you know what the scorched earth policy was?

end it peacefully, as apposed to ? the game was up, the ruling political and economic elite saw no more real value in continuing Apartheid, writing was on the wall...dumped the poor fools that still believed in the illusions of HF Verwoerd...and moved on...and made nice with the new bosses.

You have it wrong, the ruling elite at the time wanted to end it. Who had the fire power and who do you think would have been the worse off in a civil war?

For many it is not. It will take generations to get over the effects from apartheid.

Thing is though many can't seem to get over something that never affected them. How logical is that?

http://www.history.com/topics/apartheid

This I found after a 1 minute google. I'm sure I can find more.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/beckybarnicoat/terrifying-alien-abduction-stories-thatll-****-you-up
A few seconds of googling, what's your point?

 

[crackersa]

Don’t be an idiot. If she wants to call out black people on the positives of colonialism, black people can call her out on the positives of Nazi Germany. Funny how she can name all the positive things colonialists did but none of the positives the Nazis did.

Where your victim card?

 

[crackersa]

Well, as long as it takes the "victims" to recover. How long, I don't know.

African Americans blame slavery 150 years later. So buckle your belt, you are in for a ride

 

[saturnz]

African Americans blame slavery 150 years later. So buckle your belt, you are in for a ride

Probably because they are still being used as slaves in prisons

 

[Craig_]

Thing is though many can't seem to get over something that never affected them. How logical is that?

So you are saying to me that the current generation of blacks has not been affected by apartheid at all? And you expect me to take you seriously?

 

[Swa]

So you are saying to me that the current generation of blacks has not been affected by apartheid at all? And you expect me to take you seriously?

How is a 20 year old today affected? Even a 30 year old would have had the chance to go to government school and university without a dime on their name if their grades are good enough. Seriously man, apartheid is no longer something you can blame if you can't make it in life. But we see this the world over. Every time people can't make it they look for something to blame, often something that happened hundreds of years ago when their seed wasn't even created. It's pathetic really.

And this isn't really about apartheid but colonialism. NONE of the blacks alive today ever witnessed colonialism yet we have some youngsters swept up by people like Malena continually harping on about its "evils".

 

[C4Cat]

How is a 20 year old today affected? Even a 30 year old would have had the chance to go to government school and university without a dime on their name if their grades are good enough. Seriously man, apartheid is no longer something you can blame if you can't make it in life. But we see this the world over. Every time people can't make it they look for something to blame, often something that happened hundreds of years ago when their seed wasn't even created. It's pathetic really.

And this isn't really about apartheid but colonialism. NONE of the blacks alive today ever witnessed colonialism.

So you don't think growing up in poverty to uneducated and possibly illiterate parents has any effect on a person?

 

[TysonRoux]

So you don't think growing up in poverty to uneducated and possibly illiterate parents has any effect on a person?

Burning down schools sure isn't going to help their situation, and no doubt you'll find a way to blame that on apartheid as well.

 

[Swa]

So you don't think growing up in poverty to uneducated and possibly illiterate parents has any effect on a person?

Does it prevent you from becoming literate and getting an education when that is available for free?

 

[Nick333]

Don’t be an idiot. If she wants to call out black people on the positives of colonialism, black people can call her out on the positives of Nazi Germany. Funny how she can name all the positive things colonialists did but none of the positives the Nazis did.

Is she benefiting from the positives of Nazim? Is anyone?

 

[Alan]

Is she benefiting from the positives of Nazim? Is anyone?

Well there was the Beetle.

 

[Saber_rider45]

Well there was the Beetle.

+1

Fanta too

 

[Hamish McPanji]

African Americans blame slavery 150 years later. So buckle your belt, you are in for a ride

And when we're they actually given their civil rights? Heck, they had to ride in the back of the bus. And had ****** seats in the cinemas and the like.

 

[Craig_]

Does it prevent you from becoming literate and getting an education when that is available for free?

You won't understand if you were brought up with a silver spoon up your behind. That person might need to go to work to provide for that illiterate family so they can at least have food to eat.

No everybody is lucky enough to get a break out of poverty. But this is a discussion that had been had on here many times, so I'm not even going to bother any more.

Believe what you want and be surprised if those different to you dislike you because of your bigotry.