Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

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TysonRoux said:
Burning down schools sure isn't going to help their situation, and no doubt you'll find a way to blame that on apartheid as well.
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So all poor and black responsible for some burning schools?
 
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Cr419 said:
You won't understand if you were brought up with a silver spoon up your behind. That person might need to go to work to provide for that illiterate family so they can.At least have food to eat.

No everybody is lucky enough to get a break out of poverty. But this is a discussion that had been had on here many times, so I'm not even going to bother any more.

Believe what you want and be surprised if those different to you dislike you because of your bigotry.
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Poverty isn't a problem caused by apartheid.
 
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Hamish McPanji said:
And when we're they actually given their civil rights? Heck, they had to ride in the back of the bus. And had ****** seats in the cinemas and the like.
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and don't forget some slave masters were compensated for the slaves, I wonder what compensation was offered to the slaves themselves
 
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saturnz said:
that may be the case, but it certainly did its level best to create the huge income divide we see now
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Um, no. Apartheid didn't create the huge income divide it perpetuated it. Blacks were materially and educationally disadvantaged when whites got here.
 
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Hamish McPanji said:
And this discrimination stopped overnight? People were miraculously cured of their prejudice. Or is it something that takes time, and still exists today?
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Prejudice certainly doesn't exist in any way that matters in the US today.
 
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saturnz said:
and don't forget some slave masters were compensated for the slaves, I wonder what compensation was offered to the slaves themselves
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Are you serious? Who do you think benefited from welfare, housing projects, minimum wage, and affirmative action? Who do you think those things were meant for?
 
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Nick333 said:
Are you serious? Who do you think benefited from welfare, housing projects, minimum wage, and affirmative action? Who do you think those things were meant for?
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how is that relevant to my point, you think its perfectly acceptable compensating someone to stop their slave practises?

I suppose we should start paying criminals to stop engaging in crime
 
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saturnz said:
I don't know, the prison stats look rather interesting to me
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Well, of course they would, it's you. Normal would read them and find the fact that the people who commit the crimes go to prison perfectly boring.
 
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saturnz said:
how is that relevant to my point, you think its perfectly acceptable compensating someone to stop their slave practises?

I suppose we should start paying criminals to stop engaging in crime
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Slave owners weren't criminals though were they? It was legal to own slaves in the southern states at the time of slave ownership in the States.

Besides which you're talking shyt anyway. Compensated emancipation only ever occured in the District of Columbia.

United States[edit]
In the United States, the regulation of slavery was predominantly a state function. Northern states followed a course of gradual emancipation. During the Civil War, in 1861, President Lincoln drafted an act to be introduced before the legislature of Delaware, one of the four non-free states that remained loyal[citation needed] (the others being Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri), for compensated emancipation. However this was narrowly defeated. Lincoln also was behind national legislation towards the same end, but the southern states, now in full rebellion, ignored the proposals.[2][3]

Only in the District of Columbia, which fell under direct Federal auspices, was compensated emancipation enacted. On April 16, 1862, President Lincoln signed the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act. This law prohibited slavery in the District, forcing its 900-odd slaveholders to free their slaves, with the government paying owners an average of about $300 for each. In 1863 state legislation towards compensated emancipation in Maryland failed to pass, as did an attempt to include it in a newly written Missouri constitution.[1][4][5][6]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compensated_emancipation

Incidentally the precedent for the legality of slave ownership in the US was probably set by a case brought by a black man who thought he was entitled to the labour of his bond servant in perpetuity.

https://www.snopes.com/facts-about-slavery/
 
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Nick333 said:
Lol. Did they really? Source? Even if they did, that's not an argument.
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That is a valid argument on what you stated , which was just your perception...not necessarily the truth. Unless you can prove it, that is
 
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Hamish McPanji said:
That is a valid argument on what you stated , which was just your perception...not necessarily the truth. Unless you can prove it, that is
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Oh no, son. You made the original claim - that blacks still had to overcome prejudice. The burden of proof is yours. Enjoy.
 
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