Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[ForceFate]

Who is a victim of it? Give us an example. Swa gave an example of a black American who became the most powerful person in the world. Show us someone who wasn't able to go to school and matriculate because of prejudice. Show us a black person, who finished school, that cant get a job because of prejudice.

Surely you can't be serious. How does one prove this?

 

[saturnz]

Labelling opposition to desegregation is dishonest for two reasons.

In the same way its dishonest to suggest slavery wasn't criminal because it was legal

 

[Hamish McPanji]

In the same way its dishonest to suggest slavery wasn't criminal because it was legal

Apart from that , he has only considered 1 type of segregation that occurs, as explained in the consent orders. Which he probably didn't read.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

There is also political disempowerment still going on in the Southern states. For example district 12 in North Carolina

And yes, you will look at the map , and think....wtf. That snake is where the black communities largely live

Supreme Court Finds North Carolina's Racial Gerrymandering Unconstitutional

The justices end a six-year fight over 2011 congressional maps that diluted black voting strength in the state.

VANN R. NEWKIRK II

MAY 22, 2017

You don’t see a Kagan-Breyer-Ginsburg-Sotomayor-Thomas majority often in U.S. Supreme Court decisions, but today that quintet joined together to deal a blow to North Carolina Republicans. In the decision in*Cooper v. Harris, the eight-member pre-Gorsuch roster upheld a district court’s ruling that two congressional districts in North Carolina were unconstitutional racial gerrymanders, putting an end to one part of a six-year saga that began with redistricting in 2011.

The two districts in question, District 1 and 12, were drawn in 2011 after the last Census and the 2010 midterms, as part of a nationwide and well-funded push by Republicans to reshape electoral maps*and solidify a partisan advantage. In North Carolina, the state and federal congressional redistricting efforts also played part in the state’s*ongoing conflicts over voting rights, and both sets of maps eventually found their way to state and federal courts.

The state Republican-led General Assembly made further tweaks to congressional districts that were already highly gerrymandered, and created a web of districts with little geographic coherence, in the process packing more black voters into certain districts and diluting their voting strength in others. District 12 already took the shape of a river cutting through the middle of the state prior to redistricting, but Republicans condensed its shape to connect black communities without picking up white voters in between. At times, the district was barely wider than the I-85 corridor that connected major black community centers in North Carolina’s Piedmont region.

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/527592/

 

[RyanPCMR]

Wow! This thread contains all of the answers to finally beat racism! :crylaugh:

 

[saturnz]

Wow! This thread contains all of the answers to finally beat racism! :crylaugh:

why do you need to beat something which doesn't exist?

 

[ponder]

In the same way its dishonest to suggest slavery wasn't criminal because it was legal

When it comes to slavery muslims don't really have a leg to stand on, some islamic countries only legally abolished the practice in the 60's due to western pressure but it's actually still happening in some places. So please don't come here with your holier than though attitude. I know you gonna tell us about mo freeing his slaves next.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

When it comes to slavery muslims don't really have a leg to stand on, some islamic countries only legally abolished the practice in the 60's due to western pressure but it's actually still happening in some places. So please don't come here with your holier than though attitude. I know you gonna tell us about mo freeing his slaves next.

When I comes to slavery, nobody has a leg to stand on. And it will go on as long as humans roam the planet in one form or the other.

Major credit to the Brits including chaps like William Wilberforce for pushing quite aggressively on the abolition.

 

[crackersa]

And yet there is modern day slavery happening in Libya.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

And yet there is modern day slavery happening in Libya.

Libya, China, Afghanistan, Eastern Europe, ME, Latin America, Indochina

Why do you think we get our consumer goods so cheap. People just don't talk about it, they just do it.... swoosh!!

 

[crackersa]

Libya, China, Afghanistan, Eastern Europe, ME, Latin America, Indochina

Why do you think we get our consumer goods so cheap. People just don't talk about it, they just do it.... swoosh!!

Not exactly the same kind of slavery

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Not exactly the same kind of slavery

Some are, some aren't.

 

[saturnz]

When it comes to slavery muslims...

so white people in SA don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to racism then because a white government practised racism as a law up until the late 80s

and the USA government hasn't got a leg to stand on when it comes to terrorism, because they still are terrorists themselves

got it thankz

 

[Swa]

Prejudice didn't stop him, so it doesn't exist in any influencing form? Is that your argument? Did he win by 90% , or was it 70%? Just remind me, I might have forgotten.

And there is prejudice against the current one too. I haven't denied that. I'm not the one arguing there is no prejudice. Just that it is more apparent against the minorities in the US.

I'm also not arguing it doesn't exist, only that it doesn't matter. Since when has any U.S. president gotten 90% or even 70%. It's usually 40/60 with 20% of people a swing vote going between Republican and Democrat every 4 or 8 years. Just because he didn't get a landslide victory doesn't mean he was affected by prejudice.

Swa gave us an example of a black American who got a job despite being targeted based on his race and ethnicity. Not an example of insignificant racial prejudice. The racial language at the time was quite apparent...luckily 52% of the population ignored it.

Come on now don't be disingenuous here, he didn't just get a job but became the most important man in the world. It doesn't matter how many people actually voted for him but only that it didn't hinder him in becoming potus. You actually prove my point.

Well, this is not unexpected. Just because you personally doesn't recognise it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and doesn't negatively influence people's lives. You said it didn't matter. If I provided 1 example, you would say it's only 1 example which is why I posted quite a few. Some of those are actually examples of racial segregation of students within the same year .

Then you criticise the practice of adding up the many examples of where this is occurring. To anyone with a clear mind on this it show a trend of systemic and largely ignored prejudice. Only when addressed in court is there any attention paid to it. But they ignore the courts as well, which is why some of these cases go back to the 70's. But i know it doesn't suit your opinion, so that will be ignored.

And did you know that degreed black people are more likely to complain about discrimination than nom degreed people? Maybe because they are muscling on jobs that are deemed suitable for a particular race alone.

So when you post your opinion on what is clearly happening , at least have the decency of posting evidence of sorts. The only "evidence" i saw was a president who overcame a lot of the prejudice to win by a 2% margin

Nobody claimed it doesn't exist but how does it perpetuate poverty? It doesn't.

so white people in SA don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to racism then because a white government practised racism as a law up until the late 80s

and the USA government hasn't got a leg to stand on when it comes to terrorism, because they still are terrorists themselves

got it thankz

And the current black government doesn't practice racism?

 

[saturnz]

And the current black government doesn't practice racism?

read my post in the context in which it was meant, as a response to ponder's post and then try again

 

[Swa]

read my post in the context in which it was meant, as a response to ponder's post and then try again

I know you think you have a point but...

 

[saturnz]

I know you think you have a point but...

its not my point, its his...

I just applied it further

try again another time

 

[Swa]

its not my point, its his...

I just applied it further

try again another time

Maybe YOU should read his post in the context it was meant and also Nick333's post #962.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

I'm also not arguing it doesn't exist, only that it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter to those who are not victims of it.

Since when has any U.S. president gotten 90% or even 70%. It's usually 40/60 with 20% of people a swing vote going between Republican and Democrat every 4 or 8 years. Just because he didn't get a landslide victory doesn't mean he was affected by prejudice.

Well, since this was the "evidence" being punted as the current prejudice doesn't matter...which you provided (yes, a thoroughly lame example, I agree...I said as much)

Come on now don't be disingenuous here, he didn't just get a job but became the most important man in the world. It doesn't matter how many people actually voted for him but only that it didn't hinder him in becoming potus. You actually prove my point.

That's actually lolworthy. You're using an example of an entire countries vote. Does the whole country get to vote on day to day job decisions? Its a stupid example, and you know it.

For example , let's say I am a black dude in Arkansas, or Idaho or Alabama....the racial discrimination is far worse than in some of other states. It matters to me, because I am being descriminated against, no matter who is the president

[Quote@]Nobody claimed it doesn't exist but how does it perpetuate poverty? It doesn't.[/Quote]

Inferior schooling, larger distances to travel for education, splitting of classes based on race, refusal to hire minority managers based on their race, political disempowerment based on race. These are all examples that I actually posted. If you bothered to read.

Are you kidding me, they don't perpetuate poverty?!!

And the current black government doesn't practice racism?

Thanks for giving us a clear example of whataboutism. I couldn't have done it better myself

 

[saturnz]

Maybe YOU should read his post in the context it was meant and also Nick333's post #962.

as I said, try again another time