Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Swa]

It doesn't matter to those who are not victims of it.

It doesn't matter in getting a job and getting schooled, just like what the Brits did to us doesn't affect those. Stop making your own fallacious assumptions.

Well, since this was the "evidence" being punted as the current prejudice doesn't matter...which you provided (yes, a thoroughly lame example, I agree...I said as much)

Your point? It doesn't matter in that he still became potus. Not that you managed to show any actual prejudice against him.

That's actually lolworthy. You're using an example of an entire countries vote. Does the whole country get to vote on day to day job decisions? Its a stupid example, and you know it.

For example , let's say I am a black dude in Arkansas, or Idaho or Alabama....the racial discrimination is far worse than in some of other states. It matters to me, because I am being descriminated against, no matter who is the president

What's lolworthy here is you continually holding up racism from some as an excuse to perpetually being unable to become schooled and get a job. When some people have made a much better success of their lives under much worse conditions.

Inferior schooling, larger distances to travel for education, splitting of classes based on race, refusal to hire minority managers based on their race, political disempowerment based on race. These are all examples that I actually posted. If you bothered to read.

Are you kidding me, they don't perpetuate poverty?!!

Distances has never been a problem for black people.
Who splits classes based on race? That wouldn't be legal.
How are black people dis-empowered politically in a country run by majority blacks?
And who made our school system inferior? Who introduced outcome based education? Who dumbed down maths education with maths literacy?

as I said, try again another time

LOL, still clearly missing a part of the conversation.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

It doesn't matter in getting a job and getting schooled, just like what the Brits did to us doesn't affect those. Stop making your own fallacious assumptions.


Your point? It doesn't matter in that he still became potus. Not that you managed to show any actual prejudice against him.


What's lolworthy here is you continually holding up racism from some as an excuse to perpetually being unable to become schooled and get a job. When some people have made a much better success of their lives under much worse conditions.


Distances has never been a problem for black people.
Who splits classes based on race? That wouldn't be legal.
How are black people dis-empowered politically in a country run by majority blacks?
And who made our school system inferior? Who introduced outcome based education? Who dumbed down maths education with maths literacy?


LOL, still clearly missing a part of the conversation.

Thanks, Johnny come lately.

I responded to Nick about prejudice in the US not mattering. You decide to butt in by agreeing with him. Despite my better judgement , I looked for evidence to support my claims...and posted it.

Then you come back with the same bs example that you posted earlier. This, without actually bothering to read the examples I posted which supported my statements.

So either go and read it, or don't bother responding with your whataboutism on a topic I haven't even discussed

 

[Swa]

Thanks, Johnny come lately.

I responded to Nick about prejudice in the US not mattering. You decide to butt in by agreeing with him. Despite my better judgement , I looked for evidence to support my claims...and posted it.

Then you come back with the same bs example that you posted earlier. This, without actually bothering to read the examples I posted which supported my statements.

So either go and read it, or don't bother responding with your whataboutism on a topic I haven't even discussed

And how does that relate to us? I posted an example to prove that it doesn't matter. Even if you ended up proving anything you'd only show that it has no effect on someone rising to the most important position in the world. You also just can't acknowledge that we are correct.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

And how does that relate to us? I posted an example to prove that it doesn't matter. Even if you ended up proving anything you'd only show that it has no effect on someone rising to the most important position in the world. You also just can't acknowledge that we are correct.

I didn't say it did. I was responding to Nick. You stuck your nose in. I provided evidence, you provided a BS example

And you aren't correct. Obama being voted president actually showed prejudice being overcome and not that it doesn't matter. The examples of court cases I provided show that prejudice and its effect on jobs and education. Typical that you wouldn't even bother to read...

 

[Swa]

I didn't say it did. I was responding to Nick. You stuck your nose in. I provided evidence, you provided a BS example

And you aren't correct. Obama being voted president actually showed prejudice being overcome and not that it doesn't matter. The examples of court cases I provided show that prejudice and its effect on jobs and education. Typical that you wouldn't even bother to read...

I stuck MY nose in? I'm the one that bloody brought it up before you stuck your idiot nose in. And for the last time nobody here said it doesn't exist, only that it doesn't matter as my example shows. But continue missing the point and believing what you want.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

I stuck MY nose in? I'm the one that bloody brought it up before you stuck your idiot nose in. And for the last time nobody here said it doesn't exist, only that it doesn't matter as my example shows. But continue missing the point and believing what you want.

I posted evidence of it mattering to jobs and education. Are you actually going to read it, or continue to stick your head in the sand?

 

[Swa]

 

[schumi]

Zille lets rip on colonialism again

Zille replied: “I agree, there was absolutely nothing positive about slavery or the slave trade. If you read the transformed SA history textbook (issued in a democratic SA), you will see the acknowledgement that despite its many evils, colonialism helped end slavery in parts of Africa.”

She added: “You need to distinguish between them. Historical events can be inherently evil, but aspects of their legacy can turn out to be positive, although the positive does not cancel out the negative.”

It was at this point that Dhlomo reiterated Zille’s statement, before saying: “You, like it or not, are a beneficiary of colonialism, albeit indirectly. Your biases, whether you’re aware of them or not, make it unlikely for you to be able to accurately weigh up the negatives of colonialism versus these positives you speak of.”

More at : https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/zille-lets-rip-on-colonialism-again-14630739

 

[Pitbull]

Zille lets rip on colonialism again



More at : https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/zille-lets-rip-on-colonialism-again-14630739

She is 100% spot on. But you need to have a slight bit of logic to understand what she's saying... Something the majority of SA lack I guess.

 

[yebocan]

Zille lets rip on colonialism again



More at : https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/zille-lets-rip-on-colonialism-again-14630739

...just when you thought it was just an acute infection....turns out to be a case of the chronic...

 

[Pitbull]

...just when you thought it was just an acute infection....turns out to be a case of the chronic...

So you disagree with what she’s saying?

 

[rietrot]

How can she say there was nothing positive about slavery that's just wrong.

 

[C4Cat]

She is 100% spot on. But you need to have a slight bit of logic to understand what she's saying... Something the majority of SA lack I guess.

You, like it or not, are a beneficiary of colonialism, albeit indirectly. Your biases, whether you’re aware of them or not, make it unlikely for you to be able to accurately weigh up the negatives of colonialism versus these positives you speak of...

 

[rietrot]

You, like it or not, are a beneficiary of colonialism, albeit indirectly.

So are you, so is every black person.

 

[Pitbull]

You, like it or not, are a beneficiary of colonialism, albeit indirectly. Your biases, whether you’re aware of them or not, make it unlikely for you to be able to accurately weigh up the negatives of colonialism versus these positives you speak of...

Does’t change the fact that she is 100% correct. My biases are of no concern to her statement.

 

[Ancalagon]

Zille just keeps putting her foot in it. She is right, but she is doing her party no favours.

 

[C4Cat]

So are you, so is every black person.

I am yes, black people here, not so much - if some have benefitted, they are beneficiaries of the fall of colonialism.

 

[Vrotappel]

Zille must realise that some people cannot be reached.

 

[rietrot]

I am yes, black people here, not so much - if some have benefitted, they are beneficiaries of the fall of colonialism.

Wakanda isn't real. Black people didn't have it better before.

 

[Vrotappel]

Wakanda isn't real. Black people didn't have it better before.

It is, I saw it in the movies.