Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[ProfA]

I'm not voting DA for other reasons. I predict Cope would do a lot better next year.

You mean ANC-lite-lite? Don't forget where COPE came from. Sure they are making all the right noises now, but their true colors will show if they are in any sort of power.

 

[Pitbull]

You mean ANC-lite-lite? Don't forget where COPE came from. Sure they are making all the right noises now, but their true colors will show if they are in any sort of power.

You have posted this numerous times... and shown to have nothing in it

 

[R13...]

She is 100% spot on. But you need to have a slight bit of logic to understand what she's saying... Something the majority of SA lack I guess.

The opposite side of that majority (is that the minority?) also seem to lack the logic to understand the other side's point of view.

 

[rietrot]

You mean ANC-lite-lite? Don't forget where COPE came from. Sure they are making all the right noises now, but their true colors will show if they are in any sort of power.

Don't forget why they left. They were the first to quit the corrupt ANC even before that was cool.

 

[cr@zydude]

She is 100% spot on. But you need to have a slight bit of logic to understand what she's saying... Something the majority of SA lack I guess.

The holocaust led to Israel being a Jewish homeland. I wonder if Zille sees it that way.

 

[Pitbull]

The opposite side of that majority (is that the minority?) also seem to lack the logic to understand the other side's point of view.

I’ll ask you too then. Tell me what she’s saying that you have an issue with. She covered all her bases. Maybe read it again, slowly..,

 

[Pitbull]

The holocaust led to Israel being a Jewish homeland. I wonder if Zille sees it that way.

Please explain to me how you compare the holocaust to colonialism...

 

[R13...]

I’ll ask you too then. Tell me what she’s saying that you have an issue with. She covered all her bases. Maybe read it again, slowly..,

She's presenting some sort of false dichotomy. Or rather I'm not really sure why she's discussing this even - it was to presumably ignite some sort of debate but when you start a debate it starts to look at all the possibilities of what would have happened with or without apartheid. The racists on the one hand think Africans would still be in skins and mudhuts without the nice colonialist accidentally stumbling on the continent and deciding to exploit it for its resources as if that was the only option or darkness for the continent.

 

[R13...]

Please explain to me how you compare the holocaust to colonialism...

He's not, how I read it. He's saying her colonialism random debate makes as much sense as someone saying the same about the holocaust.

 

[ProfA]

Don't forget why they left. They were the first to quit the corrupt ANC even before that was cool.

:crylaugh: Do you think the ANC was not corrupt when the leaders in COPE were part of the ANC and in powerful positions? They left because they were no longer in powerful positions or were about to be kicked out of their powerful positions. Them leaving had buggerall to do with corruption.

 

[Pitbull]

She's presenting some sort of false dichotomy. Or rather I'm not really sure why she's discussing this even - it was to presumably ignite some sort of debate but when you start a debate it starts to look at all the possibilities of what would have happened with or without apartheid. The racists on the one hand think Africans would still be in skins and mudhuts without the nice colonialist accidentally stumbling on the continent and deciding to exploit it for its resources as if that was the only option or darkness for the continent.

So you can’t give me even one thing? Ok, check!

O and btw, do you know the difference between colonialism and apartheid?

 

[ProfA]

He's not, how I read it. He's saying her colonialism random debate makes as much sense as someone saying the same about the holocaust.

Thanks for getting it. Pitbull claims to have all the logic in the world as he understands Zille's crap, yet cannot get my simple comparison. *insert facepalm like LazyLion's avatar*

 

[R13...]

So you can’t give me even one thing? Ok, check!

What thing? You have this annoying ability of ignoring the wider view in favour of distilling everything into what where you want to herd the conversation. Rather tedious discussing stuff with you sometimes. Open your mind a bit.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Enjoy getting steamrolled in the elections and becoming yet another irrelevant party in SA politics.

Maybe you should keep up with local by-election results....just from yesterday: https://twitter.com/waynesussman. Massive evidence of the DA being steam-rolled . The only party being klapped looks like the EFF.

DA hold Ward 72 in Johannesburg (Glenhazel Orange Grove) DA 92% (83%) ANC 7% (12%) EFF 1% (3%). 32% Poll. Good result for the DA

DA hold Ward 88 in Johannesburg (Roosevelt Park Northcliff) DA 80% (82%) Independent-Plange 12% ANC 7% (12%) EFF 1% (3%) 25% Poll.

ANC hold Ward 92 in Johannesburg (Kaalfontein Randjesfontein in Midrand). ANC 48% (44%) DA 33% (29%) EFF 18% (22%) AIC 1%. 26% Poll. Solid hold for the ANC in a competitive seat.

DA hold Ward 47 in Tshwane (Elardus Park Moreleta Park) DA 95% (88%) ANC 4% (6%) EFF 1%. 32% Poll. Solid hold for the DA

DA hold Ward 10 in Breede Valley (Hex Park Roodewal Worcester) DA 49% (58%) Breedevallei Onafhanklik 25% (21%) ANC 19% (17%) VF+ 6%. 56% Poll. Good growth for BO + VF+

DA hold Ward 18 in George (Denneoord Loerie Park) DA 82% (93%) VF+ 14% (4%) ACDP 3%. 40% Poll.

 

[Pitbull]

What thing? You have this annoying ability of ignoring the wider view in favour of distilling everything into what where you want to herd the conversation. Rather tedious discussing stuff with you sometimes. Open your mind a bit.

You have this annoying abillity to try and read into things said and find things that fits your agenda. Even if it wasn’t said...

Learn to take what is said for what is being said.

And just to inform your silly little mind. White people in South Africa also got colonized. It’s not a white black issues. Apartheid is something else.

 

[Knyro]

The holocaust led to Israel being a Jewish homeland. I wonder if Zille sees it that way.

Actually somebody specifically called her out on twitter asking if she would acknowledge the positives brought about by the Nazis. She denied there being any positives at all.

I tried to point out this hypocrisy on MyBB but no dice. They refused to see it. :crylaugh:

 

[Pitbull]

Thanks for getting it. Pitbull claims to have all the logic in the world as he understands Zille's crap, yet cannot get my simple comparison. *insert facepalm like LazyLion's avatar*

She’s discussing colonialism and you try and do a comparison to the holocaust. Not me having an issue with comprehension

 

[R13...]

You have this annoying anility to try and read into things said and find things that fits your agenda. Even if it wasn’t said...

Learn to take what is said for what is being said.

And just to inform your silly little mind. White people in South Africa also got colonized. It’s not a white black issues. Apartheid is something else.

Completely missing the point. As you did in your very reply to my initial statement earlier.

Hint: I blamed no race or anyone just that the two sides are on opposite sides and are both "right". I say right to make it black and white to simplify it for you as that appears to be how you see the world

 

[Knyro]

Maybe you should keep up with local by-election results....just from yesterday: https://twitter.com/waynesussman. Massive evidence of the DA being steam-rolled . The only party being klapped looks like the EFF.

LOL the first two are fscking Linksfield and Northcliff. Some of the wealthiest areas in JHB. :crylaugh:

The others are probably traditional DA strongholds too.

Nah wait for the Provincial and National results. Then "the masses" can show the DA what they think.

 

[Pitbull]

Completely missing the point. As you did in your very reply to my initial statement earlier.

Hint: I blamed no race or anyone just that the two sides are on opposite sides and are both "right". I say right to make it black and white to simplify it for you as that appears to be how you see the world

Still waiting for one thing she said that is wrong. Not holding my breath though.