Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[Spizz]

Shame. She is an imbecile.

For not being black? Wow, talk about completely missing the point.

But was she also an imbecile in the 1980s when she offered her house as a safe house to black political activists or when she was arrested or when she forced into hiding for her anti Apartheid activities?

 

[ProfA]

For not being black? Wow, talk about completely missing the point.

But was she also an imbecile in the 1980s when she offered her house as a safe house to black political activists or when she was arrested or when she forced into hiding for her anti Apartheid activities?

:crylaugh: Please quote where I said she is in imbecile for not being black? Seems like you are the emotional one. Trying to defend idiocy.

 

[C4Cat]

For not being black? Wow, talk about completely missing the point.

But was she also an imbecile in the 1980s when she offered her house as a safe house to black political activists or when she was arrested or when she forced into hiding for her anti Apartheid activities?

Tell me more about those things, being arrested and going into hiding...

 

[Craig_]

Rape? Seriously? You make that comparison? You're forgetting that none of those alive today were the victims. They just have a victim mentality which is now keeping them behind far more than Bantu education ever did. This is more akin to telling someone born from rape that there was some benefit to them.

I'll have to call my mom just now to check if she is alive, because according to you she ain't.

 

[yebocan]

And round and round we go.

I wish the blacks would just be grateful the whites came here and brought civilisation with them. Otherwise we all know they would all be living in caves with no clothes on.

Actually partial to the minimalist existence that pre colonial Africa offered. Sand dune trails, game hunting, sleeping under the stars...and puff puff of the old dacha.

 

[Nod]

Tell me more about those things, being arrested and going into hiding...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille#Anti-apartheid_movement

 

[Spizz]

:crylaugh: Please quote where I said she is in imbecile for not being black? Seems like you are the emotional one. Trying to defend idiocy.

My post was about talking from a position of privilege and perhaps not understanding black peoples POV. You called her an imbecile, I deduced she fully understood black peoples POV but she chooses to ignore it and she’s an imbecile. What else can I read into your comment? You can explain why she’s an imbecile if I’m getting it wrong.

 

[Spizz]

Tell me more about those things, being arrested and going into hiding...

I’ve read about and can only supply google links now. Maybe you’ll u can search yourself? Also read a bit her reporting on the Steve Biko murder. It’s her that told the world he never slipped on a bar of soap.

 

[Vrotappel]

:crylaugh: This ^ type of thinking is what makes Malema's life so easy when he spouts hateful race politics because it conveniently forgets that this countries mining wealth has made foreign companies very rich while using this countries "slave" labour and leaving many miners with serious terminal illnesses behind.

That's history you cannot change it. This 'slave labour' as you call them also killed millions in their trek down south. So who forgave their crimes? Who are you to draw a line in the sand of history?

 

[Vrotappel]

You do not tell a rape victim, that rape has its positives due to the advancement in DNA identification. Nobody wants to hear that ****.

You seem to have the same foot-in-mouth disease Zille has. Bantu education was a system that by its design was developed and implemented to keep the education levels of black people far below that of whites. The fact that it raised literacy levels is irrelevant and by no means makes it "not all bad" or defensible. :wtf:

What education was there before bantu education?

 

[Vrotappel]

Huh. What benefits did communism have? Population control?

It showed us never to try that **** again.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It showed us never to try that **** again.

Some people struggle to learn basic things though... they're trying parts of it here.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

 

[access]

If you list thing like running water, electricity, cars etc as the benefits of colonialism, you are indirectly saying that black people would not have been able to implement that in Africa themselves. And that is racist, whether you like it or not.
China never colonised Brittain, yet the Brittish have gunpowder.
The Arabs never colonised Germany, yet the Germans have Algebra.
The US never colonised Russia, yet the Russians have light bulbs.

There's nothing to indicate that Africans would not have been able to incorporate "western" technologies into their infrastructure if they had not been colonised.

If you want to extol the legacy of Colonialism, you should focus on things that would be almost impossible without it.

you ignoring the reality of the people here still in hunter gatherer phase. nothing had happened here for thousands of years, it would not have happened all of a sudden. the rest of the world was using gun powder and horse and carriage and ships, had businesses and government and individualism. these things were all available and there during that time, but southern africa was not using it. why would it change all of a sudden.

those other countries you try and compare southern africa to were far developed themselves, nothing like that existed here. china was ruled by britian for over 150 years too btw.

the historic empires colonised where ever they went. they applied their technology where ever they went.

if the ships simply sailed past the southern african coast line, the tribes would still be living in huts with leather loincloth clothing today. some people still do. pointing to northern africa as a counter argument is futile since they were ruled by another empire too

and just because one group of people moved over land and could not fathom the idea of moving across the water, does not make them better than the people that crossed water. both plundered and pillaged. the one was just far less advanced than the other, therefor weaker and overrun.

how many years do you think it is reasonable for a hunter gatherer society to truly embrace and catch up to a modern one. keep in mind there are forces working against this, culture, habits, beliefs, superstition, xenophobia, racism.

 

[Temujin]

For not being black? Wow, talk about completely missing the point.

But was she also an imbecile in the 1980s when she offered her house as a safe house to black political activists or when she was arrested or when she forced into hiding for her anti Apartheid activities?

Shes white, #notarealantiapartheidhero That part of her life is already deleted from the new history books

 

[Nod]

What education was there before bantu education?

The only reference I could find:
http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/bantu-education-and-racist-compartmentalizing-education

In 1953, prior to the apartheid government’s Bantu Education Act, 90% of black South African schools were state-aided mission schools.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

And we all know who set up those mission schools...

 

[Spizz]

My post was about talking from a position of privilege and perhaps not understanding black peoples POV. You called her an imbecile, I deduced she fully understood black peoples POV but she chooses to ignore it and she’s an imbecile. What else can I read into your comment? You can explain why she’s an imbecile if I’m getting it wrong.

Silence. So I’m obviously getting it right and you have judged her solely on the colour of her skin. That my friend, makes you a racist and why this whole situation developed in the first place. Idiots jumping into bandwagons and bumping their gums without so much as a fact or snippet of truth at their fingertips.

 

[Spizz]

And we all know who set up those mission schools...

Australians?

 

[C4Cat]

This whole argument is stupid because there is no 'truth' or 'fact' when it comes down to issues of definition.
The 'truth' depends on how you define colonialism - if you define it (as I do) as the oppressive exploitation of indigenous people and their resources, then there are no positives. If you define it, as Zille presumably does, as simply the migration of Europeans into Africa (which just happened to be exploitative) then it brought with it positives. Definitions are not true or false, they are simply the meanings we assign to words and often we disagree on them but there is no point arguing about it since there is no right or wrong definition - people simply have to come to some agreement on the definition to move the argument forward.

In this case Zille made a statement that was divisive and provocative and she did it knowingly because she believes her definition is the one and only true definition. That's the problem and why I have an issue with it. She could have phrased it in a way that wasn't confrontational, like using just using the words Europeans instead of colonialism. Nobody can reasonably argue against the fact that there were positives from Europeans coming to Africa but the idea that there were positives from the oppression and exploitation of indigenous people (i.e. colonialism) is bound to cause hurt and resentment. Zille needs to come down of her high horse and for goodness sake, stop making American leaders her role models. When Obama was in power she (and the DA) copied him, with their slogans and branding and marketing, and now she copies Trump with her confrontational tweets which she mistakenly and misguidedly thinks is 'telling it like it is' rather than just more Trump like provocation and BS.