Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[BBSA]

As I've pointed out many times before. She refuses to acknowledge any positives brought about by the Nazis, but expects others to acknowledge those brought about by colonialism.

And on top of that she did not point out the positives the Zulu and Xhosa setlaars brought to South Africa, right?

 

[Knyro]

And on top of that she did not point out the positives the Zulu and Xhosa setlaars brought to South Africa, right?

Nice deflection. But nobody's arguing that point.

There's no denying she's a hypocrite.

 

[Spizz]

Nice deflection. But nobody's arguing that point.

There's no denying she's a hypocrite.

Ridiculous. Why on earth should she comment on Nazi Germany?

 

[Knyro]

Ridiculous. Why on earth should she comment on Nazi Germany?

Really? People on twitter tried to make her admit that even though somebody else oppressed "her people", it wasn't "all bad" as she says.

Not so easy when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Spizz]

Really? People on twitter tried to make her admit that even though somebody else oppressed "your people", it wasn't "all bad" as she says.

Not so easy when the shoe is on the other foot.

And this is an equivalence? British/Dutch Colonialism in South Africa, and Nazi Germanys final solution?

 

[Knyro]

And this is an equivalence? British/Dutch Colonialism in South Africa, and Nazi Germanys final solution?

Hey, at the end of the day the Nazis still brought about some technological and economic good didn't they? Anyway Jewish people are still around so it wasn't all bad.

 

[Spizz]

Hey, at the end of the day the Nazis still brought about some technological and economic good didn't they? Anyway Jewish people are still around so it wasn't all bad.

And you think this is a fair comparison to colonialism?

 

[Willie Trombone]

What makes you think that, is it that they're not just a 'bit' retarded?

No, it was that I assumed sarcasm in the comment... I think we all know what WC ANC is like, though I prefer not to use terms such as retarded given how insensitive it is to people who are retarded.

 

[Nick333]

Hey, at the end of the day the Nazis still brought about some technological and economic good didn't they? Anyway Jewish people are still around so it wasn't all bad.

Retarded. The aim of colonialism wasn't to destroy the indigenous population and the Nazis weren't building hospitals, brick houses, and schools and providing running water and electricity for the Jews.

Comparing colonialism /apartheid to Nazism is the most pathetic form of the victimhood Olympics.

My people were conquered by the Romans and Norman's and went on to conquer your great grand parents and invent your computer and the Internet so you could whine about it while your country goes to shyt.

 

[Knyro]

And you think this is a fair comparison to colonialism?

In some respects, yes it is. Centuries of slavery, exploitation and discrimination. And if you didn't tow the line, death.

It also points out that swallowing oppression and looking at the positives is not easy for people to do at all.

 

[Knyro]

Retarded. The aim of colonialism wasn't to destroy the indigenous population and the Nazis weren't building hospitals, brick houses, and schools and providing running water and electricity for the Jews.

Comparing colonialism /apartheid to Nazism is the most pathetic form of the victimhood Olympics.

My people were conquered by the Romans and Norman's and went on to conquer your great grand parents and invent your computer and the Internet so you could whine about it while your country goes to shyt.

Fact for all the horrible things the Nazis did they still did good in other areas, why can't Zille admit that?

 

[Nick333]

Fact for all the horrible things the Nazis did they still did good in other areas, why can't Zille admit that?

Because they didn't intentially do any good for the Jews. Colonialism had the intention of making your peoples life better (and probably did).

You're comparing incidental, unintended good things that came from Nazism and the intentionally good things that came from colonialism. Apples and oranges. Queen Victoria and even Cecil Rhodes would be perfectly happy with a black mathematician. Hitler would have gassed your ass.

 

[TysonRoux]

Retarded. The aim of colonialism wasn't to destroy the indigenous population and the Nazis weren't building hospitals, brick houses, and schools and providing running water and electricity for the Jews.

Comparing colonialism /apartheid to Nazism is the most pathetic form of the victimhood Olympics.

My people were conquered by the Romans and Norman's and went on to conquer your great grand parents and invent your computer and the Internet so you could whine about it while your country goes to shyt.

Reminds me of this:


Flourishing In A Post-Colonial World:

How many ex colonies have grown and flourished?

 

[Nick333]

Reminds me of this:


Flourishing In A Post-Colonial World:

How many ex colonies have grown and flourished?

Without reading the link, most of those in the Far East, a couple in the Americas and Africa. I'd be willing to be there's a correlation between cultures that just get on with **** and post colonial success.

 

[Knyro]

Because they didn't intentially do any good for the Jews. Colonialism had the intention of making your peoples life better (and probably did).

You're comparing incidental, unintended good things that came from Nazism and the intentionally good things that came from colonialism. Apples and oranges. Queen Victoria and even Cecil Rhodes would be perfectly happy with a black mathematician. Hitler would have gassed your ass.

Yeah right. Under colonialism I never would have had the chance to accumulate the education I have today.

The infrastructure in Africa was built to extract mineral wealth from the continent and other economies popped up around it naturally. All the benefits I have now are incidental as well. Colonialism is not a necessary condition for the spread of knowledge and technology. Thus any benefits are a side-effect.

 

[Nick333]

Yeah right. Under colonialism I never would have had the chance to accumulate the education I have today.

The infrastructure in Africa was built to extract mineral wealth from the continent and other economies popped up around it naturally. All the benefits I have now are incidental as well. Colonialism is not a necessary condition for the spread of knowledge and technology. Thus any benefits are a side-effect.

That's just not true.

 

[Spizz]

In some respects, yes it is. Centuries of slavery, exploitation and discrimination. And if you didn't tow the line, death.

Well, no. It's nothing like it.

I'm not saying for a second it was okay or even acceptable, but to compare the Holocaust to colonialism is so ridiculous I don't even know where to start a rebuttal. Suffice to say, wtf has this got to do with Zille being a hypocrite? You introduce a false equivalency which could be argued abut for days, and expect a straight forward answer yes or no because her grandparents were Jewish? I mean seriously, wtf?

Do you seriously expect an answer from her to the twitards when the question is so heavily loaded and completely irrelevant in the first place? Well of course you do, you are after all sitting there in your smugness branding her a hypocrite without so much as a stitch of logic or reason behind it.

It also points out that swallowing oppression and looking at the positives is not easy for people to do at all.

I don't imagine anyone ever thought it did. And as an advocate of equality for all during the dark days of Apartheid, I don't imagine Zille did either.

Sure, she can be accused of being insensitive or perhaps wearing privileged tinted glasses, but then there's a discussion to be had in which people can exchange their views and help her understand other peoples POV. But of course, we've passed that now in SA and it's straight on the attack with ridiculous emotional BS like this.

Fsck it's tiring.

 

[Vrotappel]

To be honest, I don't care what anyone believes wrt Africans catching up to the first world ito technology. There is no way to prove any of it, it is all speculation. It is a fact that they were behind in 1652. There's no denying that.
Although, to say that they would never have caught up to the point where they have running water, electricity, roads etc (even in some parts) is racist. It implies that they could never do what the rest of the world could do. Even if you believe it is true, you have to see how black people would be offended by it.

No

 

[Knyro]

That's just not true.

Of course it is. You think Europeans, with the views held at the time. Came here to share all their cool tech with Africa and live in peace? Ha. Extracting wealth from colonies to enrich the homeland was the order of the day. Colonialism is driven by economics.

 

[Vrotappel]

As I've pointed out many times before. She refuses to acknowledge any positives brought about by the Nazis, but expects others to acknowledge those brought about by colonialism.

It seems to b e the only argument you have. Why would that be?