Colonialism wasn't all bad‚ says Helen Zille

[konfab]

Imagine if a black person said 'some' farm murders could be justified? for whatever reason...

Nothing will happen. Because racism is only applicable to white people.

Trade union Solidarity today said that if the ANC is really serious about racism, it would have to take action in its own ranks. This comes after ANC MP Mduduzi Manana [actually Duduzile Promise Manana - PW] yesterday shouted “Bury them alive!” during a debate on farm murders held in the National Assembly.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politics/bury-them-alive-anc-must-take-action-in-its-own-ra

 

[Slootvreter]

She explicitly capitalises the word "only" to demonstrate that she is addressing the concept of all aspects of colonialism being viewed as negative.

Her meaning was clear.

People hear what they want to hear, and they will make it fit into their agenda.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Better hope your social media policy is up to scratch then Mmusi. There is nothing factually wrong with Helens tweet, just a bunch of retards who don't understand reality.

This will be an interesting result. The DA is testing their own believes, ethics and morals system. People are also missing how Zille ended the Twitter debate,

https://twitter.com/helenzille/status/842284106281029632

I apologise unreservedly for a tweet that may have come across as a defence of colonialism. It was not.

she's not apologising as many are interpreting. People's comprehension... People don’t even know how it all started, Zille praised Singapore’s development.

https://twitter.com/helenzille/status/841303382644027394

What a revelation Singapore has been. I can see why it prospers. Ppl understand the past but work in the present and plan for the future.

then this man replied,

Mazizonke mkokeli‏ @Mazizonkemkoke2

@helenzille way over 300 yrs of oppression & its legacy still on & only 26 yrs into liberation. U think it can be 4gotten that easy, crazy!

Obviously,

https://twitter.com/helenzille/status/842245461071261696

Much to learn from Singapore, colonised for as long as SA, and under brutal occupation in WW2. Can we apply the lessons in our democracy?

need to read the above replies.

Continued,

https://twitter.com/helenzille/status/842249938801197056

Singapore had no natural resources and 50 years ago was poorer than most African countries. Now they soar. What are the lessons?

replies, read it.

Helen replying with said lessons learned,

https://twitter.com/helenzille/status/842250631054258176

I think Singapore lessons are: 1) Meritocracy; 2) multiculturalism; 3) work ethic; 4) open to globalism; 4) English. 5) Future orientation.

as Helen replied to one reply,

Elvia Els‏

@helenzille uh ooh Helen. You gonna get lots of nasty responses on this one.

...

Helen Zille‏

@Elvia52 That's fine. Many people hate the truth.

Then it happened, war, war never changes,

https://twitter.com/helenzille/status/842260539644497921

For those claiming legacy of colonialism was ONLY negative, think of our independent judiciary, transport infrastructure, piped water etc.

People stirred that cup, tsunami in a tea cup I may add.

There is the one pet peeve that I have with Maimane and I have made many examples on that topic throughout threads here on MyBb. I don't see how Zille can be guilty on anything.

 

[porchrat]

I think many of us are exasperated because she really should know better by now but she does it time and again. Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming.

People shouldn't be able to get away with twisting someone's words like this though. What she said is entirely true. There were positive aspects to colonialism. Many of which we still enjoy today. Admitting this shouldn't be a big issue, it's common sense.

 

[konfab]

Admitting this shouldn't be a big issue, it's common sense.

Nope. Everything white people have done is bad. No positives. If they have done something positive, it was racist.

 

[w1z4rd]

This is where education comes into play, colonialism is here directly compared to Nazism. Ignoring colonialism, tribalism is hailed as the king. Apartheid messed the people up on all sides, but then one needs to explore why colonialism is also viewed as negatively elsewhere, and why colonialism is only associated with the white man. Never mind that the many Bantu people are as much colonial to SA as the European and British, and Indian, and Chinese, and...

Im not happy with this response, and actually sent a query for clarification, because the statement implies that my ancestors who bought land from xhosa chiefs are the same as nazis.

Nazism is an ideology, colonialism is an action. Any ideology can colonize. Colonization is an action, not an ideology. What really upsets me about this is the double standards. Colonization is becoming synonymous with white and ignores the colonizations that happened by other empires in Africa like the Zulus. I hate double standards.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Im not happy with this response, and actually sent a query for clarification, because the statement implies that my ancestors who bought land from xhosa chiefs are the same as nazis.

Nazism is an ideology, colonialism is an action. Any ideology can colonize. Colonization is an action, not an ideology. What really upsets me about this is the double standards. Colonization is becoming synonymous with white and ignores the colonizations that happened by other empires in Africa like the Zulus. I hate double standards.

I am amused as to how everything started as I believe there is a valid reason to everything. Reading back to where Helen elaborated on Singapore, and only when questioned did she raise the points on SA. People missed the point.

What happened is that Helen was selectively quoted without taking her debate as whole into the discussion.

 

[chunk10]

Nope.

Her tweets proceeding this one were about Singapore's free market economy and how they encourage personal responsibility and hard work. That is blasphemy for the SJW.

I am laughing at this country, specifically all the people getting outraged by a tweet and saying that Helen Zille should hold her tongue. Just in case she *offends* people with objective facts. That is the soft bigotry of low expectations if there is ever a better example.

"She should just keep her mouth shut about objective facts incase it offends the poor silly black people".

So she did not fight for social justice? i cant keep up with these labels.

 

[w1z4rd]

I am amused as to how everything started as I believe there is a valid reason to everything. Reading back to where Helen elaborated on Singapore, and only when questioned did she raise the points on SA. People missed the point.

What happened is that Helen was selectively quoted without taking her debate as whole into the discussion.

This is normal. so many double standards. There is a reason why the rest of the world sees us as one of the most ignorant nations out there.

 

[CataclysmZA]

IMO, Globalism doesn't happen as easily without some colonialism taking place. English is the dominant language used in business trades today (though Mandarin is coming close now) because of its influence historically. Knowledge of the sciences only reached remote countries either through colonialism, or spreading religious doctrine that include missionary schools. Trade routes set up by the British, the Spanish, the French, and the Dutch formed the backbone of overseas trade (all four nations which have a history of being colonisers). Technological advancement, and the sharing of that technology and its spread to other countries, cannot take place as easily without it.

It has some merit, but it does mean that the cultural influences of the country colonising another tend to override the other, sometimes wiping it out entirely. I don't think Helen needs to be hauled over the coals for what she said, but I can see why it offended some people.

 

[rietrot]

People are to emotional and/or stupid. You cannot reasonably debate history and it's effects on modern live without hurt feelings. People always seem to choose a side and refuse be objective. It's silly.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

so many ignorant people in one thread ....... not a fan of the DA but jeez, twist some words to make the racist play, all systems go. Ignorance.

 

[Nerfherder]

People will complain about colonialism until they remember how Christianity came to these fine shores.

This is the reason why no one actually cares, to get to Jesus you need people to come share his story.... that came with the colonials in this case.

You have to take the good with the bad.

 

[konfab]

People will complain about colonialism until they remember how Christianity came to these fine shores.

This is the reason why no one actually cares, to get to Jesus you need people to come share his story.... that came with the colonials in this case.

You have to take the good with the bad.

Tell that to Pastor Maimane....

 

[Knyro]

People will complain about colonialism until they remember how Christianity came to these fine shores.

This is the reason why no one actually cares, to get to Jesus you need people to come share his story.... that came with the colonials in this case.

You have to take the good with the bad.

So what's the good?


/runs

 

[ToxicBunny]

People will complain about colonialism until they remember how Christianity came to these fine shores.

This is the reason why no one actually cares, to get to Jesus you need people to come share his story.... that came with the colonials in this case.

You have to take the good with the bad.

Keerist I'd forgotten about that..

Ok, I change my tune.. colonisation was all negative.

 

[konfab]

Keerist I'd forgotten about that..

Ok, I change my tune.. colonisation was all negative.

 

[Flanders]

Imagine if a black person said 'some' farm murders could be justified? for whatever reason...

That's just a crazy parallel to make. The equivalent would be to say that some black people's murders by government during apartheid were justified.

The way I see this is that a group of embittered blacks, actively scanning for something to be outraged over, gleefully got what they consider to be ammo to have another whinge at whites. Rinse, repeat.

 

[Ho3n3r]

People will complain about colonialism until they remember how Christianity came to these fine shores.

This is the reason why no one actually cares, to get to Jesus you need people to come share his story.... that came with the colonials in this case.

You have to take the good with the bad.

And their BMWs... and their Twitter/Facebook... and their electricity... running water... we can go on and on all day.

 

[R13...]

That's just a crazy parallel to make. The equivalent would be to say that some black people's murders by government during apartheid were justified.

The way I see this is that a group of embittered blacks, actively scanning for something to be outraged over, gleefully got what they consider to be ammo to have another whinge at whites. Rinse, repeat.

Shouldnt that rather be some killing of civilians by military wings of the anc and pac was justified?