'Coloured' teacher on fraud charge for saying he was 'African'

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Not all Chinese...
I know but point is still that they're not in the race classification. Surely there are Chinese people here who are born and bred. They can't pick foreigner on a form they pick South African then they'd have to say what racial group they fall under.
 

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I know but point is still that they're not in the race classification. Surely there are Chinese people here who are born and bred. They can't pick foreigner on a form they pick South African then they'd have to say what racial group they fall under.
The other irony is that if those 'black' chinese had kids after 1994 they are not considered 'black' for bee, how does that even work?
 

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Some forms only have “Black” “White” “Coloured” and “Asian”. Where would someone who is “Other” select?
"Asian" isn't even an ethnicity. When people say Asian we often think Japan, China etc but Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan are all in Asia. This whole classification thing is just messed up.
 

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"Asian" isn't even an ethnicity. When people say Asian we often think Japan, China etc but Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan are all in Asia. This whole classification thing is just messed up.
Yep, neither are any of the other options.
 

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Interesting discussion. If you are black /white and born in India, does it make you Indian? Same with Chinese. The same logic should be applied to africa?
The place of birth is totally irrelevant and can in no way declare as to what you are.
You are what you are and the birth place can't be used as a lable.
My little Jack Russell was born in a stable and no way in hell is he a horse!:p
 

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I don't think they were ever going to take this one to court:
Snyman received the charge sheet a month ago, which stated he committed a common-law offence.

Provincial MEC for Education Debbie Schäfer said she only learned on Wednesday that the teacher was charged with fraud.

Schäfer said she was shocked to discover that her department was charging someone because of how they choose to classify themselves.
 

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The guy in charge of this, whilst I 100% agree with his message, and I am going to do it next time I encounter one of these racist little boxes, seems to be a bit dof.
http://www.parcsa.co.za/Campaign-against--SAIRR.php

If you want non-racialism, going after the IRR which is explicitly non-racial is about the last group of people in the country to go after.
 

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For decades, the coloreds were not white enough. Apparently, for the last 26 years they have not been black enough.

I suspect the coloreds will magically be transformed into just the right classification when they signal their intention to secede, being, as they are, the overwhelming majority, in the Cape.

There's nothing like the threat of withdrawing your support, to separate superficial discrimination from the real thing.

The Patricians in ancient Rome will know what I mean.
Do you at any time think about anything else? The Cape (or whatever you want to call it) is not going to secede. Get over it.
 

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Do you at any time think about anything else? The Cape (or whatever you want to call it) is not going to secede. Get over it.
Do I, at any time, think about anything else than freedom of association i.e. legal freedom to choose your friends and associates?

No.
 

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People are influenced by US culture/entertainment and PoC is the new cool buzzword
Good.
The plural for Poc is PoX, which is exactly what people who refer to themselves as PoCs are.
 

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Do you at any time think about anything else? The Cape (or whatever you want to call it) is not going to secede. Get over it.
And if it does, it won’t belong to the “coloureds” anyway.
 

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The place of birth is totally irrelevant and can in no way declare as to what you are.
You are what you are and the birth place can't be used as a lable.
My little Jack Russell was born in a stable and no way in hell is he a horse!:p
But who says just horses can be born in stables?
Cows?
Sheep?
Chickens?
And who decided that the horse is a horse because he was born in a stable?

are you saying we are different species?

thread lightly.

if you are allowed to identify as any sex you want ( which is determined by chromosomes and even male and female sperm act differently) why can you be charged with fraud for identifying as any race?
 

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But who says just horses can be born in stables?
Cows?
Sheep?
Chickens?
And who decided that the horse is a horse because he was born in a stable?

are you saying we are different species?

thread lightly.

if you are allowed to identify as any sex you want ( which is determined by chromosomes and even male and female sperm act differently) why can you be charged with fraud for identifying as any race?
I don't think you can be as there is no legal test for membership of someone's race.

Everyone should just simply put black African in the box whenever they are given a form to fill in.
 

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Not about race specifically but maybe the same as BEE status. My view is that with some money and the right lawyer you can be whatever BEE level your tender section may desire.
 

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The place of birth is totally irrelevant and can in no way declare as to what you are.
You are what you are and the birth place can't be used as a lable.
My little Jack Russell was born in a stable and no way in hell is he a horse!:p
Don't speak in riddles. You mean white people born in Africa aren't African? What about those who can trace their ancestry to Africa, Malaysia and Europe? What do you make of the regions around the Mediterranean? Europeans with Mongolian DNA from Ghenkis Khan's invasions?
 
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