Compliment Telkom but also complaint

Wendy

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Three months ago I installed ADSL in our personnel offices and I am running 16 networked computers on it. To date we have had no complaints at all but then we dont use it to the extent that many other users do and we have only been capped once with a narrow escape the next month. We have been happy with the speed which is a vast improvement on the previous ISDN connection we had and it is a great deal cheaper.
Now for the complaint. Impressed with the results I obtained at work I decided to install it at my home where I often work and my children could access the internet readily. The following is a copy of my letter to Telkom, now sent to all the addresses I can find for various people at Telkom (thanks to Merlin and RPM) but I am hoping somebody ont his forum can help me further. Sorry it is rather long....

As I spend a great deal of time on the internet, which means I spend a great deal of money on Telkom phone rates, I applied for an ADSL conversion of my existing ISDN line over two months ago. After initial tests the technician came to my house in Benoni and advised me that the signal was not strong enough. After many conversations with the help line at Telkom I decided that the best thing to do was to just reapply and request a new line be put into my house thinking that obviously with the history of the initial line not being good enough the technicians would take care to ensure that a suitable cable was used this time. I was advised all that tests had been done, and staff would visit me on the Monday. I took off that day for the installation. By the end of the week, five days off work and many phone calls with the ADSL help line, I was told that the technician would be able to install the line on the Saturday, five days after the first arrangement. I then welcomed the arrival of a technician, and I stress ‘Technician’ as he was in no way an ADSL expert as I had been told would be the one to install this special and complicated installation. He put in the line and immediately told me that he could not get any signal at all and off he went. Back to the endless rounds of phone calls on the Monday. I have discovered that Telkom has applied an excellent customer care policy – Smile all the time, be very, very nice to the customer but in no way waste your time with helping the customer, just keep telling them you will sort it out and eventually they will give up! Well, this lady aint going to go away without a suitable explanation to her queries! I find the reasons I have been given to be totally unacceptable and in some cases shoddy. My questions are:
1. I live in Farrermere in Benoni. This is not an area confined to the plots and farms, in fact it is one of the first residential areas just outside of the town. Apparently my telephone line comes from Rynfield. This is a further distance from my residence than is Benoni, but no matter. I drove the route from my house to the exchange in Rynfield and the distance measured 4.6 km. As the technician had told me that the distance is 6.8 km I think he might have gone to visit some friends in his travels. The measured distance to the Benoni exchange is 3.5 km. As I am sure that Telkom did not lay their myriad of cables confined to roadways I assume that the underground distance is considerably less. Why was my new line not taken from Benoni if they felt that the distance might be too far from Rynfield?
2. Why was an expert ADSL technician, (and not the normal technician who seemed more interested in getting the job over and done with than actually completing it to the customer satisfaction), not sent to do this installation, or even to investigate the problem after I started my investigations?
3. I was told before the installation would take place that the test department had tested the line from the pole outside. Why is that possible but not when the equipment is connected? Perhaps the old problem of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing?
4. I applied for the ADSL connection thru a home installation. Perhaps I should have applied as a business and then Telkom would have considered my application worth taking a bit of time over. As I am currently spending approximately R2000 per month on my telephone bill, perhaps they don’t want to encourage me to spend less?
5. During my initial enquires I spoke to Barry and Isha in the Cape Town help line offices. They showed a genuine desire to help but their hands were tied by the attitude of the Gauteng staff and they couldn’t help any further. Why has Telkom kept all the really good staff in Cape Town!!
6. When I queried the technician as to the possibility of other residents having an ADSL connection in Farrermere he informed me that they were closed tot eh Great North Road. I find this even harder to understand as that would then mean they are even further away from the Rynfield and Benoni exchanges and therefore should have more problems than I do. Can Telkom tell me categorically, there are NO other ADSL connections in the whole of Farrermere?
7. At no time has anyone offered me an alternative solution. In the event that there really is no solution at all and if this is a cable problem that means new cables have to be laid surely there is another product or even a plan that has been devised that will solve it, why have I not been told about it?

Nobody I have spoken to can give me an explanation to these questions. At the very least I have expected someone to have tried but I have been promised things will be looked into only to find that I have to initiate more calls in a hunt to find someone who actually cares. Which is why I am now resorting to this letter – in the hope that somewhere out there, there is a few members of society who care about keeping a customer. I actually hold some shares in Telkom and wonder if, when the competition that has been promised does arrive in South Africa, I should sell them and rather invest in a new broom that may care.
 
I loved your letter. You'd make a great spokesperson for this forum.

I was reasonably lucky compared to you, though I also took time off from work twice only for the guy not to show up.

Wish I could help, but eish, what can we do? For the moment we can only keep lobbing questions and demands at Telkom, and hope to get a positive response. They are starting to trickle in.
 
Hi Wendy, welcome to the forum.

I'm sorry to hear of all the problems you've been having. I hope you will let us know if you do receive a reply to your letter.

It is very unfortunate that there are very few (if any) really experienced ADSL technicians at Telkom. I was fortunate that my initial installation went very smoothly. But when I needed my modem's firmware upgraded, they sent out a guy who had never done one before and I strongly believe I could have done it myself in half the time. He had to read notes and make several phonecalls before he managed the upgrade. When I asked him how experienced he was with ADSL he told me he was not experienced at all, as no training was given. I find this rather shocking. How can you send someone out to a client who has had no training? Makes no sense to me.

Anyway, best of luck with your problems, I do hope they will be sorted out.


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Hi Wendy

I too live in Benoni, Rynfield to be exact, roughly 3 Km's from Farrermere. I'm fortunate to say that my installation had no glitches although I did have some problems afterwards which have all been sorted out. I surprised to hear that you're having problems trying to get signal. Also, the reasons given to you sound very suspicious.

I sorted out my problems by phoning 0800 375 375 - if this isn't the same number you tried, give them a shout. If it is, just keep phoning in an reporting the fault - the longer it stays in the queue, the more priority its given and more priority it has, the more qualified the technician will be that will come out to assist. I have to admit, the service I got from telkom was very good. I was called in the morning to see if the problems were still there, if they were I was told that I'd be called by a technician, once he called, we'd set up a time that he would arrive, and he would be there on time - once I was late for the meeting :)

Anyway, hope this helps
 
Thanks so much for your comments guys. At least someone out there cares even if it isnt Telkom! After my weeks of phoneing and not getting a reply, I finally got a phone call this morning from a Telkom representative, James Mills, but this only after my emails to the people Merlin and Rpm told me about. In a nutshell, he gave me the same standard speel - Telkom have made a decision not to upgrade and by that they mean they will not repair either. (His exact words...) I requested that my questions be answered and he said it is all covered by the fact that they will not upgrade or repair so if the fault lies in the little line hanging from the pole outside my house there is nothing I can do about it! Irrespective of the fact that the testing from the db board came back as all clear the fault must lie in the distance from that to my house. There is no way that I can ever get ADSL unless they upgrade the entire country? So, Quazzi, you may just see me moving into the house opposite you as my only recourse now is to sell my house and move there....lol
 
Hi Wendy
Im pleased that you enjoyed my post on the "NTL experience"
I have just read through your tale of poor service and there are a couple of things that stand out for me. So, I just thought that I would commmunicate them to you in case they can be of help with Telkom
I am applying basic rules of logic, together with knowledge of telcoms.
Firstly Telkom agrees that up to the DB it all checks out and there are other subs in your neighbourhood who are on dsl.
So you have a "last mile" problem, or in your case the last 10-100 m.
Now initially you had Telkom change your isdn cct, that was working perfectly and I asume that your normal voice line at home is fine.
Therefore logic would tell us that there is no problem on your very local loop otherwise you would have had problems with isdn!!
If there is a huge amount of attenuation (resistance)from your db to your premises I very much doubt that your isdn would have operated successfully (usually the most frequent problem are earth loops on the cct, that is the insulation of the cable is breaking down and the signal is earthing out)
My instinct tells me that there is another problem in Telkoms adsl installation (maybe at the exchange in the conversion from isdn to adsl) that is the reason for lack of service. This is further supported by the inexperience of the technicians that attended to you.
I also was an isdn user but kept it on for a month and had my home number cct converted to adsl without problems. (But I an fortunate to live in Cape Town where the techies have always been better)
I could suggest that you could try the same.
BTW a quick test to verify whether you local loop on your home phone is ok, is to do the "ear test"
The ear is an amazing test instrument
Go off hook on your phone and then dial 0 and listen.
The line should be perfectly clear with no back ground noise. If you hear an irritating hum or so called "white noise" then you have a local cable fault that you can call Telkom to attend to it.
If you local loop is finethen there is no reason that adsl shouldn't operate.
The only other tip is to get a Netgear adsl modem/router DM 601 rather than the Telkom offering. I have contacts in Duxbury who are the distributors and perhaps if you get to that stage then the Duxbury technical guys could assist

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The only other tip is to get a Netgear adsl modem/router DM 601 rather than the Telkom offering. I have contacts in Duxbury who are the distributors and perhaps if you get to that stage then the Duxbury technical guys could assist
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Hi Wendy, just in response to grahambell with whom I agree that you should try another router, I originally had a DM602 and had endless problems with the router losing connection. Rather shell out the extra R300-R400 and get the DG814. Since I plugged it in, no problems
 
Yep I meant DM 602.
I initially had a few problems like you described, but downloaded the latest software and it has been solid as a rock since... Fingers crossed.

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You have just encouraged me no end as I knew my instincts couldnt be that far off! But when I suggested a fault that might be fixed to Mr Mills, he said it was impossible! Also the techie didnt attach any modem to my computer, I assume he had some alternative, while he was tesing although I didnt stand over him, but he definately didnt ask me to connect a modem. When we installed ADL in the offices the technician loaded everything before he even began to test, I wonder why it wasnt doen in this case? After he had left I found a small box labeled 'ADSL pots filter' which was still in a plastic bag. I would have thought he would have needed that to help filter the noise, but then again I am not very literate in these areas.
With my first attempt with having the ISDN line converted, after they said I couldnt have it done because the noise was too much, I logged a fault report with the ISDN dept., who came out and the technician told me it was absolutely sound and there was no problem on that line. He actually laughed when I said they couldnt do it as he said although the technology was different, they should not have had a problem as they dont have old equipment here. I did your test,gb, and there is no noise whatsoever. My daughter who lives in Lakefield a couple of kms from my house has ADSL and when I pick up her phone it has an horrific hum but she has ADSL with no problems - do you suppose Telkom has it in for me...lol These are just some of the reasons why I wont let go of this issue. Someone, somewhere is not doing his job correctly and after having experienced 'real technicians' often in my dealings with Telkom, I know they are there and I do expect more. Unfortunately I am a woman and under no illusions as to the attitude of most men to a woman requesting things (no offense meant, gentlemen) but it is a fact of life that when we go to buy a car we are shown the cup holders but a man gets to see the engine! ;) Perhaps I should have left it in the capable hands of my better half...
 
No offence taken :) My mother complains of the same problem. Anyway, don't let this matter rest. Like I said, persist in your calls to telkom (time permitted) and eventually things will get done. Don't take no for an answer. It's not logical that a house down the road from you can have ADSL and you can't.

Alternatively, there's a house down the road for sale at a good price :) I suggest you ask them if they've got ADSL before purchasing it though because you might end up with the same problem, lol
 
Wendy,
Now we have shown you "how the engine works" you can go out and bully that car salesman [:)]
Seriously, I would keep on pushing.
Let us know progress and we can give you, hopefully, advice if they try and create any more smoke screens.
If they didn't connect an adsl modem, I don't really know how they could have done any true diligence.
The Telkom techies here in CT come equiped with there own adsl modem and a Notebook to conduct their installations

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Wendy
Email me and i will send you email addresses for Head of Corporate at telkom (Hans vd groenedal) and a very helpful lady at telkoms Government & regulatory offices, Sharon Horton.
They are as stressed as their customers are with trying to get thigs done within telkom but have influence and are seriously committed to helping.
AANHOUER WEN! Don't quit.[;)]
Peapod
 
Peapod - can u e-mail me Sharons e-mail add...I had dealings with Hans but he foisted me onto another lady Mariette (I think) who continously dished out the SRFDWI (standard response for dealing with idiots - aka customers).

Wendy - That POTS FILTER is the device that allows a ADSL modem and normal telephone to work at the same time, it filters the noises so the modem wont get confused when you talk on the phone and the you wont hear much moise from the modem when you phone someone, the tech that tested my line did not need that filter to test.

When they came to test my line they plugged in a device into my telephone line and left it running for a while. They never required my computer nor brought a modem to test connectivity. I suggest you request Telkom re-checks your line and ask the tech whats wrong with the line and what must you do, the fact you had a tech there would indicate that you should be able to get ADSL (within range).
 
Well, I did say I wasn't very literate in that department...lol Now I will send emails off to the addresses that Peapod will give me and then sit on the edge of my seat - again - and hope someone will respond. If I don't hear should I log a fault? I am worried that they are going to put a hex on me now...lol Mind you my telephone line has dropped the internet connection twice since I sent the first email...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Incidentally doesnt any one know why do they keep you waiting for weeks while they are doing their testing if there is a chance that the distance from the box to the phone may not be able to handle it? Surely thats costs a lot of money, and time that overworked techs can do without?
 
Hi Wendy, I'm probably sounding like a broken record here but yeah, log another call :) I found the more I pestered tech support, the more response I got from them.

With regards to the testing of the line, if shouldn't take too long for a response. When I logged a call, I usually got a phone call at 8pm asking me to turn my router on and off whilst the guy tested the line real-time. If they then found a fault, they'd get a technician to call me in the morning and by the afternoon, he'd be there (I haven't dealt with a female Telkom technician so no offence to the ladies out there).

It got to a point that I knew all the names at Telkom Tech Supp. and they knew me just by my voice :)
 
HELP!! Technical advice needed!
Well, I finally got some response! Unfortunately it isnt good however and I am left just as confused as before and still not satisfied that I am not being steered up a garden path. Perhaps I have a problem explaining myself to the Telkom people but they keep telling me I cant get ADSL but Benoni has been cleared to receive it and I only live just outside of town. Having applied twice for the service and twice the testing has come out as fine, why is it just not able to be done when they come to install it? This time I got a chap who says he is one of only 11 techs who work the whole of Gauteng. He tested my line and said there was no fault on it at all. He then tested for the ADSL signal and showed me a minute reading of 468 upstream and 512 downstream (or visa versa)! I believe it needs to be 1024 downstream and 512 upstream? However, he also showed me the distance reading which was 5100 m from the exchange (even longer than a physical drive to the exchange...). The test report showed a distance of 5170 m from the exchange. ??? Does that mean my house is actually closer to the exchange than the DB box is, if this is where the test was done from? Also what is "PASS-line tested must be put to a 0+4 and the sparewill be used for ADSL", mean?
Am I being totally pig headed in wondering if there are other cables running around my block that may be a shorter distance? The techie told me there is no department in the whole of Telkom that has plans of the cables - I found that hard to comprehend with a corporation as big as telkom who must rely on having that sort of information to hand. Must I just give up my quest to save a few bob and not have to do the bulk of my work at night after 7 p.m. or spend the whole weekend and miss out on lovely summer braais?
Having read the letters on Satellite solutions, I really would love to have it but at that cost it is but a distant dream so I remain "up a creek without a paddle".
 
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