Concerns over South Africa's piracy crackdown

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wizardofid said:
Sanity prevails, one person that at least understand just how retarded this idea is.
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There are many who understand. It's mostly government who doesn't understand. Politicians rarely understand the subjects they want to create laws around.

Vorastra said:
What I don't understand is why the government even gives a shet about this lmao.
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Controlling the populace.
 
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Actually, it's pressure from foreign governments, who are themselves being lobbied by content/copyright owners. SA is not alone in this. High-piracy countries are under increasing pressure to up compliance with numerous bilateral and multilateral IP treaties, or face increased sanctions and exclusions.
 
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Arthur said:
Actually, it's pressure from foreign governments, who are themselves being lobbied by content/copyright owners. SA is not alone in this. High-piracy countries are under increasing pressure to up compliance with numerous bilateral and multilateral IP treaties, or face increased sanctions and exclusions.
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Yeah the US has made a big stink about our lack of piracy prosecution a few times already.
 
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This is why all my media server traffic goes through a VPN and I have DoH setup on my home network.
 
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Arthur said:
Actually, it's pressure from foreign governments, who are themselves being lobbied by content/copyright owners. SA is not alone in this. High-piracy countries are under increasing pressure to up compliance with numerous bilateral and multilateral IP treaties, or face increased sanctions and exclusions.
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Then copyright holders shouldnt complain when they have geoblock content and services.They are the equally part of the problem.
 
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There was a time when people pirated in secret. Now it's "Pirate's rights matter!". :ROFL:
 
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wizardofid said:
Well as the law stands now, the government can't do crap if you download content it has nothing to do with them, it is a civil matter, and up to the copyright holder to take action as a civil matter. Sharing and uploading content is what they really after as that is a criminal offense. Additionally as the law also stand they can't claim damages more then the actual value of the item that was downloaded.If for example the film or series value is R50.00 they can't claim civil damages more then that.

One of the main reasons why no person(at least that we are aware off) in south Africa has been sued by a copy right holder locally or internationally for downloading some thing. It isn't worth the effort, and there is no benefit to the government as they have no right to take civil action on the behalf of the copyright holder either and they don't get a cut either way.


So your assumption is incorrect that they stand to make money, downloading is civil and up to the copyright holder to take action, uploading is criminal, and that still requires a warrant.Unless you are a complete moron even with uploading it would be hard to nail someone.
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And to add to that, in South Africa you're very fortunate to get a high upload speed with your download speed. The upload speed is usually throttled by enough to just cover the "cost" of the download speed being "up to" what you pay for. So yea, if you're a moron sharing pirated content (and perhaps even charging for it) through your own connection, you're impacting your own internet experience as well with low/slow download speeds.
 
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What is going to be interesting is that your personal private information you going to receive remuneration from it as it is used by bussiness etc, that would be interesting.
What is your private information:
1-SARS has it.
2-Banks A-Z has it.
3-Bussinesses you dealt with has it.
They all know it from the records, but not allowed to five it out or talk/discuss it.
So basicly your private info is all over the place but just nobody talk/discuss about it.

So where on earth do spammers get my personal info.........So now I want remuneration.
 
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The ANC cant even control their own pirates of Polokawane ...... anyway, let me the first to volunteer my location.

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This government has bigger issues, but here they are worried about what people are streaming/viewing.. tsek!
 
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Louis72 said:
They should simply look at the great firewall in China as an example to see that the internet cannot be controlled or monitored fully.
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This is people's first misunderstanding of China's firewall. The government knows they can't fully control the internet, that's not the point. The point is that average person KNOWS the government is monitoring their communications, and that anyone more technically savvy - using a VPN or other circumvention techniques - is generally distinguishable from the rest of the traffic. That's enough to mark you as a person of interest, even if they don't know what you're transmitting. The rest are subdued by a chilling effect.

Secondly, the Great Firewall is extremely effective at what it's intended to do. Have a read through this technical explanation, or this article about the how it is changing views of their populace. The Great Firewall has also helped bootstrap local alternatives to international services such as Twitter and Youtube, something our government would no doubt welcome as a means of enforcing new channels for investment and employment while retaining legislative control over.

South Africa signed a co-operative agreement with China in 2015 on internet governance, with an aim of improving our ICT infrastructure through the sharing of technology and techniques. We are beginning to see the fruits of that agreement, couched in convenient trojan horse talking points like "piracy". Weird how many of the most contentious cyber-related bills began to see serious engagement around the same time. Probably just a coincidence.
 
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TheHand said:
This is people's first misunderstanding of China's firewall. The government knows they can't fully control the internet, that's not the point. The point is that average person KNOWS the government is monitoring their communications, and that anyone more technically savvy - using a VPN or other circumvention techniques - is generally distinguishable from the rest of the traffic. That's enough to mark you as a person of interest, even if they don't know what you're transmitting. The rest are subdued by a chilling effect.

Secondly, the Great Firewall is extremely effective at what it's intended to do. Have a read through this technical explanation, or this article about the how it is changing views of their populace. The Great Firewall has also helped bootstrap local alternatives to international services such as Twitter and Youtube, something our government would no doubt welcome as a means of enforcing new channels for investment and employment while retaining legislative control over.

South Africa signed a co-operative agreement with China in 2015 on internet governance, with an aim of improving our ICT infrastructure through the sharing of technology and techniques. We are beginning to see the fruits of that agreement, couched in convenient trojan horse talking points like "piracy". Weird how many of the most contentious cyber-related bills began to see serious engagement around the same time. Probably just a coincidence.
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Dude, this government cant even control their own members, or those members of parliament. Lol this government themselves are stealing and looting the country dry, but want to crack down on illegal activities. I mean, we have one dude openly threating the police, and thats okay.
 
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